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re: Guy criticizes traffic lights, state fines him $500

Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:06 pm to
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pretty sure that's literally what the guy in OP is doing


Remind me when he loses that lawsuit.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:06 pm to
Camera tickets are a $cam

Got one a couple weeks ago and just threw it away. Bring it bitches


Yep. I got one about five years ago and immediately threw it away. Nothing at all ever came of it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:06 pm to
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Would you hire a lawyer who can't pass the bar exam?

there are a number of paralegals in certain fields who i'd hire to rep me long before their boss (obviously, if it were legal)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:07 pm to
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Remind me when he loses that lawsuit.

he probably will

licensure is an expansion of authoirty by the state and the state doesn't like to rule that it lacks the power to do things

that's how authoritarianism works
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:08 pm to
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It does break the law, though. If you want to argue the merits of the law, fine, but the law is very clear.



Can you link me to the exact part of the law you feel he broke?
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:11 pm to
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he probably will

licensure is an expansion of authoirty by the state and the state doesn't like to rule that it lacks the power to do things

that's how authoritarianism works


Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
7750 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:12 pm to
Are you a doctor when you finish medical school (answer is no)? Having a degree in engineering is just the first step. You still have to work as an intern for four years and then pass the PE Exam. I've run across several "engineers" with a degree that can't pass the PE... and the public is safer without those guys practicing.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:13 pm to
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Can you link me to the exact part of the law you feel he broke?


Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89386 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:14 pm to
Looking at the rules posted by LAPELS:

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A person shall be construed to practice or offer to practice engineering: who practices in any discipline of the profession of engineering; or who, by verbal claim, sign, advertisement, letterhead, card, or in any other way represents himself to be a professional engineer; or who represents himself as able to perform; or who does perform any engineering service or work or any other professional service designated by the practitioner or recognized by educational authorities as engineering. The practice of engineering shall not include the work ordinarily performed by a person who himself operates or maintains machinery or equipment.


Let's go through it piece by piece.

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who practices in any discipline of the profession of engineering; or who, by verbal claim, sign, advertisement, letterhead, card, or in any other way represents himself to be a professional engineer


He didn't do that.

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or who represents himself as able to perform; or who does perform any engineering service or work or any other professional service designated by the practitioner or recognized by educational authorities as engineering


Didn't do that either.

So what did he do?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:14 pm to
A fricking emoticon? What a not shocking response.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:15 pm to
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I've run across several "engineers" with a degree that can't pass the PE... and the public is safer without those guys practicing.


Exactly. I graduated with several who somehow graduated at the top of our class but were never able to pass the FE exam, much less the PE.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89386 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:16 pm to
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I graduated with several who somehow graduated at the top of our class but were never able to pass the FE exam, much less the PE.




Sure you did. Several at the top of class but couldn't pass the FE? GTFO with your lies.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:18 pm to
I passed the FE without studying a day in my life and halfway through the test I found out I had a job already lined up.

I don't have my PE. In my lab of 20+ year EE vets in Telecom, none hold PE's.

Again in short, EE's rarely need a frickin PE no matter how much you don't want to believe it.

Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:19 pm to
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who practices in any discipline of the profession of engineering; or who, by verbal claim, sign, advertisement, letterhead, card, or in any other way represents himself to be a professional engineer


He didn't do that.



He literally said "I am an engineer."

quote:

or who represents himself as able to perform; or who does perform any engineering service or work or any other professional service designated by the practitioner or recognized by educational authorities as engineering


So, "I am an engineer and here is some engineering analysis I performed" doesn't meet that?
Posted by Boudreaux35
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Member since Sep 2007
22281 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:20 pm to
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who practices in any discipline of the profession of engineering; or who, by verbal claim, sign, advertisement, letterhead, card, or in any other way represents himself to be a professional engineer


He didn't do that.


In the article, it says that he apparently did claim he was an engineer.

quote:

The man was also told to stop referring himself using the word “engineer”,
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89386 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:21 pm to
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He literally said "I am an engineer."



HE didn't say he's a professional, or licensed. You said he clearly broke the law. I saw you're wrong.

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So, "I am an engineer and here is some engineering analysis I performed" doesn't meet that?


Nope, he did it for free in his spare time and didn't use it in any formal fashion. Just like you wouldn't get in trouble for doing your homework for school.



Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:21 pm to
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Sure you did. Several at the top of class but couldn't pass the FE? GTFO with your lies.




Absolutely, LSU had gotten bad about the value of homework scores at that point. Quite a few people were passing around solutions manuals, copying the problems, and bolstering their grades with 100% on homework. However, that ultimately led to them not actually understanding most of the material.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89386 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:22 pm to
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Quite a few people were passing around solutions manuals, copying the problems, and bolstering their grades with 100% on homework


Oh yea, that 5% really ,mattered. Not to mention if they can't pass the FE, they aren't doping well on their tests.

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However, that ultimately led to them not actually understanding most of the material.


Yet top of class. OK guy.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:22 pm to
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I passed the FE without studying a day in my life and halfway through the test I found out I had a job already lined up.

I don't have my PE. In my lab of 20+ year EE vets in Telecom, none hold PE's.

Again in short, EE's rarely need a frickin PE no matter how much you don't want to believe it.


That's good, because EE's have a piss poor pass rate for both the FE and PE.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:23 pm to
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Yet top of class. OK guy


Ok. Keep whining on behalf of some guy that is unwilling to demonstrate his proficiency in the field.
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