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re: Gravitational Waves....ongoing discussion today

Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:23 am to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:23 am to
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According to Stefan Ballmer, who helped build the Advanced LIGO detectors, the amount of gold produced by this one collision rivals the mass of our Moon:

"If you’re wondering how much the gold we saw being made is worth? About $10 octillion— $10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000—at today’s prices."

For those of you wondering, that's approximately 1046 atoms of gold, or ten quadrillion times as much as we've mined in all of human history.


Dumbed down article

We rich, baws!

Posted by Lugnut
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Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:31 am to
Momma.....I'm scared!
Posted by boogedy
Member since May 2011
396 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:43 am to
Just what I've always thought/said. This is the start to the notion that we've located the big bang. This is junk science, I don't care what y'all say.
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:45 am to
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I’ve read two or three articles this morning about whatever has been discovered and they all mention something about gaining a better understanding of how life began... but none of the publications went into further detail...or they did during my black-out.

I thought the Higgs Boson was supposed to be the origin of life...or something lol




I think what they have discovered here is not so much what particle created matter, but what specific process. Until now I believe it was almost exclusively theoretical. However, here they have actually observed it happen.

Another finding in this has to do with the rate of expansion of the universe.



Meanwhile, I was able to put on both shoes this morning all by myself.
Posted by Happygilmore
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:53 am to
so we are going to see gold prices drop.
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:54 am to
Black holes within black holes. Life gets infinitely larger and equally infinitely smaller.
Posted by Happygilmore
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:55 am to
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How is this stuff proven. We’ve never been far enough into space to see and touch stuff. Are these and other breakthroughs purely theoretical? I mean, even with our most advanced cameras and telescopes, the photos have to be doctored with color or else they look like they’re taken with a potato.


they could be the biggest trolls in the universe laughing at their own joke because no one understands what they are saying so no one is able to question it.
Posted by SamuelClemens
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Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:58 am to
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here is not so much what particle created matter, but what specific process.


The theory is that parallel existences are like bubbles and their edges/shells/boundaries ripple like waves. Two such existences gravitationally attracted one another so close that their ripples rubbed agsinst (almost NSFW) one another causing the Big Bang and our current universe to come into being.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:06 am to
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So, apparently 2 neutron stars merged and formed chemical elements. That is my dumbed down interpretation of things.


Galactic sex.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:11 am to
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so we are going to see gold prices drop.

Nah. Crawfish are trending up, though.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:15 am to
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How is this stuff proven.
In general, they "prove" something by applying parts (or all) of their postulations to real world experiments. Most of our understanding of the extreme universe is simply a model. The model is used to describe the actions of the observations; they don't always match, but that's part of science.

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We’ve never been far enough into space to see and touch stuff.
Like above, it is mostly just a model and they try to make that model fit as closely as possible.

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even with our most advanced cameras and telescopes, the photos have to be doctored with color or else they look like they’re taken with a potato.
Yes and no. The vast majority of images you see published are not images that you could "see" with your normal vision. Most of the astronomical images are computer generated images of radio waves. They either "doctor" the image to give a visual representation of what the telescope (usually a big radio antenna) detects, or the image is "doctored" to add false color. Sometimes the images are augmented to make for a pretty picture, sometimes to show different elements of the image in different colors. So, more often than not, the picture you see in National Geographic isn't a picture that just been taken with a really fancy camera, but it is a real representation of observed data.

As mentioned most observations are made with radio telescopes. These "telescopes" detect different radio-waves (electromagnetic waves) and from those different waves we can determine different elements that comprise the object we're looking at. Then we can layer it further by looking at velocity and direction of the objects.

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Are these and other breakthroughs purely theoretical?
With the exception of the most "out there" postulates, the breakthroughs come from actual observations, or from new math/physics that explains observations. Many can be studied with local experiments - physics is the same everywhere in the universe (probably ).

To "test" the theories:
-We can study high energy collisions, like those from supernova, by using particle accelerators like the Fermi Lab and the LHC at CERN.
-We can study ultra high heat and pressures at labs like the National Ignition Facility in California.

To "see" what's happening in the extreme universe:
-We can study data from extremely large detectors like LIGO.
-We can also study data from real world experiments that show the "unseeable" universe like the Double Slit Experiment or the observation of the negative pressure.

We can also see the real world effects of some of the "crazy" physics in things like your phone screen or computer processors (quantum tunnelling).


ETA - I'm trying to answer you and pay attention to the professor at the same time, so you'll have to excuse my errors.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:40 am to
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I can’t read a paragraph about anything going on in space without blacking out and drooling on myself. It’s not out of boredom...because I am truly interested in understanding this stuff. I feel like I’m too dumb to understand any of it. The scientist trying to explain it to me is equivalent to me trying to explain binary options to a sloth at the zoo.


My undergrad was in Physics/Astronomy and I wound up deciding to go into finance once I found out how much money a postdoc makes. So don't worry, you'll do much better financially.

That said, I can tell you this is much more than pure theory. You don't have to physically go there either, you learn lots by just watching. But you have to know what to look for.

For example, the specific frequencies of the emitted light tell lots about what elements are present, which is how they know the merger created lots of heavy metals (gold, platinum, etc). That technique (spectroscopy) is used right here on Earth for many purposes in industry.
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