re: grand jury does it again. holy hell......here we go

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Agreed. They picked the wrong death to March to.

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Yeah if they marched now their cause would just sound like a bunch of white noise HHHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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No! Choked yes, to death no. The guy was yelling that he can't breath. If you can yell, you can breath. Don't believe me try it at home. If the suspect had complied, he'd be alive.

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I agree. He's even talking after the choking has stopped. The problem I have is the cop wasn't supposed to be using that choke hold.

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Garner yelled, "I can't breathe!"

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Sounds like he could breathe to me

The fact that the cop can break police policy and engage in a banned force that results in the death of another person and face no consequences is very concerning

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No one should have died from this incident

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Agree.

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regardless of his cooperation or not.

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Disagree.

At the time of the arrest, it's impossible to know the reason for the suspect's non-compliance. His refusal to comply caused the escalation.

This is the whole issue in a nutshell.

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(something I just can't understand at times)

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The guy had cases on his rec for pot and untaxed cig sales in the area. The officers were undercover. Had this guy not resisted arrest, he would be alive. Also, had he not had astma and been under 400lbs, it would not have take 5 guys to restrain him. Grey area to me. Grand jury probably attributed the death to the persons inability to handle the subdue methods, which tend to work on people of more normal stature. you don't get 400lbs by accident, and astma can be caused by weight. harsh but true, and nothing about it has anything to do with race. Could have been a mexican or white guy too that died of subduing tactics due to weight/stress effects

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Grand jury probably attributed the death to the persons inability to handle the subdue methods, which tend to work on people of more normal stature.

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But the method used to subdue the guy is specifically prohibited by the police force.

Well this will be interesting

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Don't steal tax dollars. Don't get killed.

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So you're in favor of the death penalty for essentially theft? These kind of sentiments are the exact reason why the police are out of control.

The problem is a lot of the anger about the MB situation is because of cases like this one. For every misguided/Ambigious case like MB, there are probably 10+ like This EG case. In fact, I can think of 4 off the top of head within the last 6 months.

Throughout the last 20-30 years, are have been far more cases like EG than MB. So outrageous boils over after years of the same shite happening. Poor to little regard for blacks and Latinos from law enforcement. It's not a chance to spin this onto "black lawlessness" in their own community; the state should NOT be killing those they are PAID to protect. And yes, those communities are pissed that their hard earned tax dollars are going to be used to terrorize them.

Time and time again, things like this have happen but we have seemingly ignored what has happened/is happening. But the few times we "get it wrong", which is only a result of real and true events that heighten your sensitivity, the white empathy taank goes empty, because seemingly, their May have never been much in it? This is what people feel, I'm not saying it's the truth, but after so many unwarranted deaths and no change in others treatments of us, this false perception becomes reality. People feel like the tank is always empty because we turn the blind eye to the real
Cases of injustice.

Al and Jesse don't help it, but if the majority's collective empathy tank was low way before them, why should people feel as if Al and Jesse's removal would do anything to get it to a respectable level ?

If Al and jesse weren't here today, what would happen. Would the majority even take notice?