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re: GM delays start of EV production at Michigan plant due to lack of demand
Posted on 10/21/23 at 9:34 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 10/21/23 at 9:34 am to TrueTiger
quote:EV investment blew up from 16-20. You’re giving the government too much credit and the capital markets not enough. Investors don’t like giving money to dinosaurs and public companies are whores to the capital markets.
When Trump reverses all of the EV mandates and CAFE standards this will be a total waste.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 10:15 am
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:42 am to dewster
EVs are useless for things other trips to the store, short errands, commutes,,etc.
Worthless for trips. One you start ruining The a/c or heat in traffic, you’ll be stranded.
frick that.
Worthless for trips. One you start ruining The a/c or heat in traffic, you’ll be stranded.
frick that.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 12:17 pm to Tempratt
take advice from Ecowackos and ruin the country’s economy Mofos deserve what they get i
Posted on 10/21/23 at 12:36 pm to TrueTiger
quote:This dude pretending automakers weren't investing in EVs during the Trump years
When Trump reverses all of the EV mandates and CAFE standards this will be a total waste.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 12:38 pm to Tempratt
quote:It always amazes me how willing people are to be 100% wrong about something and talking on something they have no clue about and have done no research on.
EVs are useless for things other trips to the store, short errands, commutes,,etc.
Worthless for trips. One you start ruining The a/c or heat in traffic, you’ll be stranded.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 1:47 pm to Tempratt
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One you start ruining The a/c or heat in traffic, you’ll be stranded.
Range lost while idling in traffic, particularly with the AC on, is one of the numerous scenarios in which EVs beat the shite out of ICE.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 5:40 pm to dewster
There’ll be demand when the aholes in DC outlaw the ICE.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 5:47 pm to Tempratt
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One you start ruining The a/c
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in traffic, you’ll be stranded.
Tell me about your personal experience with this. I'm genuinely interested.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 5:48 pm to shel311
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It always amazes me how willing people are to be 100% wrong about something and talking on something they have no clue about and have done no research on.
What's really amazing is just how confident they are in their "truth." They KNOW what they're talking about.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 5:49 pm to Korkstand
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Range lost while idling in traffic, particularly with the AC on, is one of the numerous scenarios in which EVs beat the shite out of ICE.
You have three moron downvoters so far. Wonder how many are willing to out themselves as idiots?
Posted on 10/21/23 at 7:06 pm to S1C EM
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Wonder how many are willing to out themselves as idiots?
None. They just make shite up and run when they get called out except the occasional drive-by downvote. It’s a bitch move.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:04 pm to billjamin
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None. They just make shite up and run when they get called out except the occasional drive-by downvote. It’s a bitch move.
But the leftist disciples of “energy transition” are the arbiters of truth?
Go buy an EV if you want, but don’t pretend the market is not being manipulated by the government.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:21 pm to AndyCBR
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But the leftist disciples of “energy transition” are the arbiters of truth?
I think it's safe to say most of the EV buyers/supporters in this thread are not "leftists." We just don't subscribe to groupthink from people who have never gotten behind the wheel of an EV. It's telling that one side of the argument chooses to label the other because they happen to find a product useful for their personal needs. And what was stated about reduced range while idling with the A/C on is patently false, just FYI. It's not debatable.
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Go buy an EV if you want, but don’t pretend the market is not being manipulated by the government.
When has the market ever NOT been manipulated by the government? It's pretty comical that you think choosing an ICE exempts you from that government control you despise so much.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:40 pm to AndyCBR
quote:You read through this thread and you think it's the pro EV folks that are spouting more nonsense than the anti EV folks?
But the leftist disciples of “energy transition” are the arbiters of truth?
Bless your heart.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 10:17 pm to AndyCBR
quote:Every market is manipulated by government, especially O&G (and all of energy), ag, financials, and the like. These are critical industries, and completely free markets fricking suck at doing what's best for a nation's interests. I know that government manipulation and regs don't always do what's best either, and I know a lot of shite is designed simply to make some politicians rich, but it is still a fact that free markets do what free markets do with no fricks given whatsoever whether there will be a food or energy shortage today or tomorrow or 10 years from now and how that might affect national security.
don’t pretend the market is not being manipulated by the government.
And hopefully you will come to understand over the coming years how critically important it will be that America is a leader in EVs and renewable energy. The cost savings across all industries will be an incredible economic boost, and it will be a real shame if we end up sending all those savings to fricking China and give them the boost instead.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 10:32 pm to Korkstand
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And hopefully you will come to understand over the coming years how critically important it will be that America is a leader in EVs and renewable energy. The cost savings across all industries will be an incredible economic boost, and it will be a real shame if we end up sending all those savings to fricking China and give them the boost instead.
China is not taking "advantage"of these "savings". They are firing up new coal powered plants every week.
Where the frick have you people been and what are you smoking?
The bulk of the materials for these EV systems come from mining in foreign countries (the majority of which China has stake in or owns).
You're experiencing collective blindness due to your party affiliation.
No thanks, I'll keep my ICE vehicles as long as they sell gasoline for them.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 10:48 pm to AndyCBR
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They are firing up new coal powered plants every week.
Their renewable installation capacity growth has outpaced thermal lately. Your talking point is outdated.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 10:56 pm to AndyCBR
quote:China both buys and sells more EVs than pretty much the rest of the world combined. They also manufacturer and install more solar than the rest of the world combined. Same for batteries.
China is not taking "advantage"of these "savings". They are firing up new coal powered plants every week.
Where the frick have you people been and what are you smoking?
This isn't about clean energy or being green, this is about dollars as usual. Solar energy is super cheap and it's only getting cheaper. China is giving itself a massive head start on this cheap energy revolution, and I don't think you appreciate how impactful this will be.
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You're experiencing collective blindness due to your party affiliation.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:00 pm to mtntiger
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Mayor Pete
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will figure out some way to back door
I see what you did there.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:58 am to AndyCBR
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You're experiencing collective blindness due to your party affiliation.
There it is again.
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No thanks, I'll keep my ICE vehicles as long as they sell gasoline for them.
Followed by the obligatory “let’s make sure everyone knows I’m a republican!”
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