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re: Girl suspended from high school for being brutally beaten by boy dressing as girl

Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87208 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:18 pm to
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We need to support gay teens so they don’t have to turn to prostitution. wonder what kind of parents they’re running away from.
You don’t think manipulation has something to do with it? Or that most teenagers are learning to disconnect from their parents and are easy targets?
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 3:19 pm
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154832 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:20 pm to
The kind that don’t want some 30 year old grooming gay to groomer their son?
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
2627 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:24 pm to
Wait are we moving from trans to all gays are groomers?

Or are we excluding Lincoln Log gays because they vote Republican?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78348 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:24 pm to
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You don’t think manipulation has something to do with it? Or that most teenagers are learning to disconnect from their parents and are easy targets?


I think most teenagers disconnect with their parents

most don’t run away and became prostitutes.

Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78348 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:26 pm to
No one’s disagreeing with you about kids.

the stats support most will grow out of it.

but you aren’t just saying that.

you’re saying trans people don’t exist.

Most trans people don’t begin transitioning as kids.

Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29546 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:29 pm to
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quote:
Ignoring reality isn’t treating anything.


Psychological and medical professionals disagree.


Suicide rates disagree with them.

The reality is that a disassociation with a body part is a psychological issue. The fact that it is a penis or vagina shouldn't matter.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78348 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:30 pm to
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Suicide rates disagree with them.


suicide rates are higher in trans people in general

most studies are showing suicide rates decline when trans people receive gender affirming care.

so again, what outcome do you want?
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17878 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:32 pm to
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so again, what outcome do you want?


Bring back asylums.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57268 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:39 pm to
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the taxpayer part.


You aren’t aware of situations where taxpayers are in the hook for these surgeries? Yikes.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29546 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:40 pm to
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most studies are showing suicide rates decline when trans people receive gender affirming care.


That is a blatant lie.

And don't disregard the rest of the statement to attempt to shape the conversation to your benefit.

It's disingenuous at best.

Post op suicide rates are higher than preop because your "affirming care" is ignoring a disorder in favor of someone's feelings.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57268 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:40 pm to
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i forgot they’re all tax payer funded.


Move those goalposts some more.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17878 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:41 pm to
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Move those goalposts some more.



Its ok for him to tell you how to think.

But do not dare talk about where your money is going.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78348 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:42 pm to
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That is a blatant lie. And don't disregard the rest of the statement to attempt to shape the conversation to your benefit. It's disingenuous at best. Post op suicide rates are higher than preop because your "affirming care" is ignoring a disorder in favor of someone's feelings.


It’s a developing field, but most studies do indicate gender affirming care reduces suicide rates

Here is a survey of 23 and their results.

LINK

and just so you don’t think i’m ignoring you.

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The reality is that a disassociation with a body part is a psychological issue. The fact that it is a penis or vagina shouldn't matter


ok. What’s the best treatment for that? You can say it’s a psychological issue. what’s the treatment. Because, those aren’t all the same.
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 3:44 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78348 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:42 pm to
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Move those goalposts some more.


what goalposts am I setting?

Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9632 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:46 pm to
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A lot of evident to support something I agree with. Most kids will grow out of it, we shouldn’t do permanent interventions on children.


So you agree the school and the parents are screwing over this boy as well as every girl he shares a restroom or locker room with. He should be getting true gender affirming therapy helping him to accept his biological sex instead hating it.

Why then live in this thread defending trans and a male beating a girl up when you acknowledge it’s a mental disorder and lying to them isn’t helpful. It doesn’t matter who started it. That is focusing on a tangent just to continually defend and argue your politics. A severely disturbed boy has been given free rein to harass and assault the girls at his school.

Even with trans adults Taxpayers should not be forced to fund trans surgeries or be forced to deny their own biology, religion, and common sense just for the sake of not offending these mentally disturbed individuals. The left is not only attempting to enforce woke policy, but it along with its allies in big tech, big media, and big govt are bullying others and redefining words to fit their politics. They have been trying since 2017 when the pussy hat march in Washington offended trans who vocally declared after gay marriage it was their time to get stuff. For years they kept offending one or more of their identity groups trying to find terms that could equate biology and trans and seem to finally have most of their brethren on board with the current strategy after 7.5 years of seeing what sticks. “They” wasn’t even supposed to still be happening. It was a placeholder until a gender neutral pronoun could be agreed upon. Then they figured out too many groups wanted their own special pronouns and how easy it was too get offended by using people’s long standing plural usage of “they”. Attention seeking won out over common sense again. That’s not good policy, science, or English. It’s just a power play.
Posted by Cell of Awareness
Member since Jan 2024
1270 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:49 pm to
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most studies are showing suicide rates decline when trans people receive gender affirming care.

so again, what outcome do you want?


Another lie,,, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10027312/
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87208 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:56 pm to
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most don’t run away and became prostitutes.
Did I say that?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78348 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:57 pm to
Wall of text and false assumptions.

Kids grow out of it means children should be allowed to explore these things freely and safely without permanent consequences

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Why then live in this thread defending trans and a male beating a girl up when you acknowledge it’s a mental disorder and lying to them isn’t helpful. It doesn’t matter who started it. That is focusing on a tangent just to continually defend and argue your politics. A severely disturbed boy has been given free rein to harass and assault the girls at his school.


Because that isn’t what this thread has been.

Saying the trans kid has free reign to assault and harrass girls at this school ignores the fact that the trans kid was suspended for fighting, and it absolutely matters
who started the fight. There is a big different between going around and attacking random people and beating up someone who threw a punch at you.

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Even with trans adults Taxpayers should not be forced to fund trans surgeries or be forced to deny their own biology, religion, and common sense just for the sake of not offending these mentally disturbed individuals.


you can do whatever you like.
I’m not saying send people to jail.

But don’t pretend like you care about them either.



Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9632 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:58 pm to
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Wait are we moving from trans to all gays are groomers?


Way to just fly out into left field with absolutes that were never said.

Do you feel like you made a valid point??

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Or are we excluding Lincoln Log gays because they vote Republican?

I am not sure that is true anymore.


That link was to an inside look at the alphabet culture. To say it is talking about all gays or just gays just because that is all you have is weak and shows a lack of reading comprehension. Many gays do not support the current alphabet culture. You shouldn’t assume they do.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87208 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:58 pm to
From your link:

quote:

however, the literature to date suffers from a lack of methodological rigor that increases the risk of type I error. There is a need for continued research in suicidality outcomes following gender-affirming treatment that adequately controls for the presence of psychiatric comorbidity and treatment, substance use, and other suicide risk-enhancing and reducing factors. There is also a need for future systematic reviews given the inherent limitations of a narrative review. There may be implications on the informed consent process of gender-affirming treatment given the current lack of methodological robustness of the literature reviewed.
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