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re: Georgia Mistakenly Tells People They Failed The Bar Exam

Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:38 am to
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:38 am to
Georgia doesnt need any more fricking lawyers. Its flooded with out of work ones who are fresh from law school and cant find work.

As long as you can get in, Law schools will pump out lawyers. No consideration WHATSOEVER for whether these people will find employment.
Posted by Costanza
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:40 am to
That's interesting.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:40 am to
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Hopefully the Board of Examiners has insurance that would cover this, but it doesn't seem like a sure thing that they would. Then you're talking about the liquidity of a quasi-governmental agency being directly on the hook for these damages.

I wouldn't buy the Benz yet if I were one of these folks affected.



Board of Examiners will be placed on the hook. I guess depending on insurance policies, etc it may be difficult to collect if you're late to the party, but if I'm one of those affected, I'm offering the Board a chance to pay at least 90% of my actual provable damages and save themselves the cost of litigation.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:42 am to
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getting into whether there is the political will and capital to do so.



definitely a can of worms situation, the quasi government with it's associated bureaucracy and screw-ups, private companies that don't have to give a reason for terminating a new, possibly probationary employee, the plight of the testees, and to top it all off, all parties in the equation are lawyers
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:43 am to
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if they didn't have a signed contract specifying guaranteed money, and were fired but not given a specific reason as to why, what has been lost?


I think it would be pretty easy to prove that you're job offer or continued employment was contingent on passing the bar if you were in fact fired immediately after failing said bar.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:44 am to
I am a CPA, and this happened a while back as well. I would lose my shite if it had happened to me
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:49 am to
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I think it would be pretty easy to prove that you're job offer or continued employment was contingent on passing the bar if you were in fact fired immediately after failing said bar.

I don't know, I work for a pretty big outfit and, like other companies I'm sure, they don't have to tell you why they fire an individual or tell them why they weren't offered a position post interview, in this case I would think that these barristers to be may have been told that their offer was contingent on passing and once the mistake was discovered, maybe the position was re-offered?
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:52 am to
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CPA

not the easiest test either
Posted by Costanza
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:52 am to
If the position is re-offered, there are still lost wages, and if it's re-offered once you are admitted to the bar, that's a pretty clear sign that the offer was rescinded when you initially "failed." If it's not re-offered but an offer is pulled after a failing bar exam result, that's also pretty damn clear. Proving either would not be a problem.

There's no way the GA Bar Association lets this get to trial anyway. They'll settle, and they'll settle big.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:53 am to
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I don't know, I work for a pretty big outfit and, like other companies I'm sure, they don't have to tell you why they fire an individual or tell them why they weren't offered a position post interview, in this case I would think that these barristers to be may have been told that their offer was contingent on passing and once the mistake was discovered, maybe the position was re-offered?


Sure you don't HAVE to tell them why they are fired, but they probably did tell them that they were fired because they were hired to be an associate attorney, and you can't practice as an attorney without passing the bar.

Perhaps the position was re-offered, but perhaps not. Assuming these people were offered a position in Spring of 2015. The mistake wasn't disclosed until September of 2016. That position is probably filled.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:53 am to
This is where I almost feel bad for "some" lawyers. Almost.

The legal proceedings that will inevitably take place will be ironic and funny. Nothing but an incestous orgy of lawyers suing and litigating the shite out of each other.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:57 am to
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but they probably did tell them that they were fired because they were hired to be an associate attorney, and you can't practice as an attorney without passing the bar.

I'd be surprised that a law firm would be so candid

on the other hand I have to have a couple of federal licenses to work, along with maintaining other clearances, visas, etc., and if I can't maintain them there is no place for me
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:02 pm to
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They'll settle, and they'll settle big.

probably, because that's our legal system, but we're talking novice, not yet attorneys who haven't been on the property long, if at all, with no defined guarantee of future earnings, can't see how they would be entitled that much, the state is refunding their test fees
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:06 pm to
How do you even come up with damages? Seems way too speculative. And sovereign immunity?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86377 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:22 pm to
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They'll settle, and they'll settle big.


We should make an over/under ban bet that neither one of us really has to honor.

Deal?

You set the o/u...
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Costanza
Member since May 2011
3275 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:24 pm to
While they'll be individual confidential settlements, I'd bet no less than $75k per person. UNENFORCEABLE/UNVERIFIABLE BAN BET ON?
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:27 pm to
I'll take the under and yes, unenforceable bet is now live and active.

Best of luck
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
41868 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:28 pm to
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How do you even come up with damages? Seems way too speculative. And sovereign immunity?



Lost wages for one (if you were fired, or if you weren't fired, but "demoted" or whatever to paralegal while preparing for the next test).

I don't really see how it's speculative at all to say you had a job as an associate attorney making X dollars salary, then you get fired for failing to pass the bar.

As for pain and suffering, I'm sure at least some of these 90 people went to counseling after the false failure.

Every expense incurred associated with retaking the test.

I guess it would be even easier to prove damages if you weren't fired, but rather demoted and paid a hourly rate (which would be a fraction of what an associate would make).
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
41868 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:31 pm to
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I'd be surprised that a law firm would be so candid



I know my firm told a guy a few years prior that he was being let go because he failed the bar and that his continued employment was contingent on being admitted to practice.

Sure, perhaps mega firms have policy that they do not disclose the reason for a firing under any circumstances, but I'm sure most of these people who were fired/offer revoked were explicitly told that it was because they did not pass the bar.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:34 pm to
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his continued employment was contingent on being admitted to practice.

seems pretty cut and dry, he didn't meet the qualifications for the job, was he let go after one attempt, or was he given another opportunity?
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