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re: General Motors to introduce 20 new electric cars over the next 6 years
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:39 pm to crazycubes
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:39 pm to crazycubes
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Can I "fill it up" in 5 mins? Nope (bad)
A couple of years back, I recall reading that some company was working on a concept where you drive your car into something that looks like an oil change facility and a robot swapped your battery out with one that was fully charged. In and out in less than 5 minutes. Thought it was a pretty interesting concept that could work provided there was some type of standardization on placement/size/shape of the batteries.
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:42 pm to crazycubes
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Base model Price: $95,000 (bad)
Can I drive to Louisiana and back from Texas? Nope (bad)
Can I "fill it up" in 5 mins? Nope (bad)
Can I drive 650 miles on one charge? Nope (bad)
Can I put 6 people in it comfortably? i.e. Suburban. Nope (bad)
Thats true and all, but almost none of that would apply to someone commuting for work everyday.
I would be interested to see a cost comparison for electricity spent per gallon of gas consumed. Lets assume say that theres 30 mpg.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:43 pm to Hammertime
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Until you can recharge your car in 5 minutes at a station, I don't see them being a big hit
The charge time is a problem. 40 minutes to charge a Bolt under the best circumstances. They are designed to be charged slowly overnight and used as a commuter vehicle. Tesla has a supercharger that can provide a full charge in about a half hour. There is one in Baton Rouge next to Trader Joe's and Acme Oyster House.
California wants all new cars to be all EV by 2040. I'm not sure if their electrical grid can take that. Or if it would be wise to rely entirely on an electrical grid like that.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:45 pm to CarRamrod
Well no ac sucks so you are stupid
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'm sure it isn't anything crazy, but I've never seen anything say how much these cars costs to recharge. Is it like $2 a charge, or $10??
Depends on where you live and your utility provider.
In Louisiana it's about $8 to charge a Bolt. $9.50 to charge the Tesla Model S.
It's probably much more in New York or California.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:47 pm to member12
Introduce 20 new models or sell 20 units total, or both?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:52 pm to member12
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ETA: Crossing 400,000 miles now, but down to 9.7 kWh
The newest Volt has a 18.4 kWh Lithium Ion Battery for a 55 mile EV range before the gas generator kicks on (380 mile total range)
The Bolt has a 60.0 kWh Lithium Ion Battery for 230-250 mile EV range
The Leaf has a 30.0 kWh Lithium Ion Battery with an 85-107 mile EV range
The Tesla Model 3 can be had with either a 50 or 75 kHh Lithium Ion Battery with a 200-300 mile EV range
except it uses twice the energy to produce the electricty to charge these electric cars then they save in the gas they arent burning.
net result = less energy efficient then fossil fuels but it helps you feel like a SJW saving the planet
quote:answered above
So WHY are we still subsidizing the purchase?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:56 pm to crazycubes
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Can I drive to Louisiana and back from Texas? Nope (bad)
Just like oil companies are becoming energy companies, I can see gas stations becoming charging stations. The tech still has a ways to go but it's getting there.
quote:
Henrik Fisker has taken the wraps off of the new Fisker EMotion electric sedan he says will compete head to head with the Tesla Model S. Fisker made his reputation as an automotive designer and the new car is certainly easy on the eyes. He claims it can go 400 miles on a full battery charge and then recharge in just 9 minutes.
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9 minutes is more than I'd want to wait on my weekly fill up driving around town, but for that I'd charge at home. If I'm on a road trip it's an acceptable amount of time after 400 miles of driving while I stretch my legs and make a pit stop.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:59 pm to dewster
quote:Tesla pushing hard before Trump issues an EO stopping all tax credits for electric car purchases.
I did hear that Telsa is burning through a shite load of cash this year though. They are really pushing hard to get their affordable EV to the market faster. Some estimate that Tesla will burn through $4.7 billion in cash this year alone.
Rex Tillerson doing work!
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:07 pm to member12
so I get 230 miles for $8? that's $0.034/mile
If I have a vehicle that gets 36mpg (corolla) that's around $0.06/mile
15,000 miles at 2.5 cents savings a mile and I saved myself a whopping $375 on the year.
That Corolla costs $15k, and will last 10 years with barely any maintenance needed outside of routine stuff.
How is buying this Bolt for $30k plus, which is no bigger than a corolla, ever going to be a wise financial decision by consumers?
If I have a vehicle that gets 36mpg (corolla) that's around $0.06/mile
15,000 miles at 2.5 cents savings a mile and I saved myself a whopping $375 on the year.
That Corolla costs $15k, and will last 10 years with barely any maintenance needed outside of routine stuff.
How is buying this Bolt for $30k plus, which is no bigger than a corolla, ever going to be a wise financial decision by consumers?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:11 pm to keakar
quote:I never rec'd my stock certificates from the 2008 investment the feds made on my behalf. Is there a hotline???
this just in, sell all your GM stock, company declaring bankruptcy within 6 years
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:12 pm to member12
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:18 pm to member12
quote:i dont think we should ever rely on that. I wouldnt mind one with a small generator on board. I think the Prius had a good platform to build on. Instead of going fully electric, just going more electric but still have the backup gas powered motor.
Or if it would be wise to rely entirely on an electrical grid like that.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:20 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
9 minutes is more than I'd want to wait on my weekly fill up driving around town, but for that I'd charge at home. If I'm on a road trip it's an acceptable amount of time after 400 miles of driving while I stretch my legs and make a pit stop.
I just about always spend at least 10 minutes at a gas station. Between taking 5 to fill up, then another 5 inside either using the restroom or buying something, I'm rarely in and out in less than 10 minutes. If the stations have enough spots to charge and either serve food or sell stuff inside, I don't see an issue. Sometimes I stop for gas before leaving downtown just to let traffic die down some. I'll gladly pay for speed and convenience, but another 5 minutes getting a charge isn't a deal breaker.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
By my math the breakeven point is like 11 years, which could be feasible, but thats assuming both need equal amounts of maintenance, and the big driver of the difference is one pays for gas, the other pays for electricity. You have to assume a gas engine will require more maintnenance than an electric motor.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:34 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
you were the guy in 1939 saying the current cars didnt have A/C so they were bad.
And he was right.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:35 pm to member12
quote:
The Leaf has a 30.0 kWh Lithium Ion Battery with an 85-107 mile EV range
Shitload of these around town. They have to be barged from Seattle. Probably 200 or more on the local roads
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:45 pm to doubleb
quote:and the comment went over your head. The technology wasnt there. just like all the questions he wants answer.
And he was right.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:48 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:
By my math the breakeven point is like 11 years, which could be feasible, but thats assuming both need equal amounts of maintenance, and the big driver of the difference is one pays for gas, the other pays for electricity. You have to assume a gas engine will require more maintnenance than an electric motor.
It's not 11 years of gas is $2/gal. It's 30+.
And corollas don't cost a lot in maintenance, and we know will last at least 10 years. Will an electric vehicle last 10 years without any major repairs? If the electric vehicle is $35k and a corolla is $15k, insurance costs will be higher on the electric.
Show your math where it's 11 years.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:49 pm to TU Rob
So you're the a-hole that parks at the pump and goes inside for 10 minutes?
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