re: Gen Z will end up more successful than millennials

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They already did that

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Interesting, just looked it up and you're right the new wages will start 7/1/2025.

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Millennials were the last generation to be sold the college scam. That getting a degree was an easy ticket to the American dream. That college debt was worth it because you would find a job that can pay you somewhere under 100k.


They were told to

Learn to code- will be taken over by AI

Get into administration- It has become bloated and unnecessary


Engineering- Flooded with visa workers who cut into salaries

Lawyers- Extremely over saturated.


Gen Z have bypassed the college scam are going back into skill trades. Things their parents and grandparents did that achieved the American dream and gave them a skill that can’t be replaced.


These jobs are higher paying and more stable. The retirement of baby boomers and Gen Xers in a few years has opened up a desperate demand for replacements with promises of higher salaries.

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if you think engineering is flooded with visa workers :rotflmao:

software sure but not traditional engineering



as far as Gen Z being more successfull....well im an older millennial with a college degree who had less than 10k debt from my first time in college and was debt free before 23....if they do better than me...that would be great.

but they sure as frick aint doing better than me being in the trades


yall are fricking retarded with the trades. 99% of people that go into them will never own the business. they will top out at 60-70k busting their arse in a hot arse attic, under a house or in some development.

i have done both.....trust me being in management and in white collar is much much much better.

Congrats you’re an outlier

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I’m saying this as I’m a millennials and went this route. In that time pay has stagnated since pre COVID and upward mobility isn’t there anymore. I see many of my peers in the same position.

This reminds of what Japan went through in the 80s after their era of stagnation. A generation who were told to take advantage of the booming economy and growth of industries that soon disappeared and are now far into their adulthood with 0 job prospects and still at home with their parents.


I actually went back to trade school after getting a degree instead of waiting for the bottom to fall out as administration jobs all over get cut in the next few years.

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this is the dumbest fricking shite i have read on here. but whatever

you got a shite degree and you were not a high achiever. high achievers dont have these problems.

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We should want future generations to be more successful than ours. It's something Boomers forgot.

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Those kids are waiting on the inheritance, which is probably substantial.

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This isnt a win at all. Break your body to compete with illegal immigrants getting paid under the table.

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exactly. i was in the trades...all the OT likes to act like welders are knocking down 200k all over

they are but its takes 2000 hours of ot to make that happen plus working out of town all the time.

they are making ~$35 an hour

plumbers are making about 60k on average, hvac the same

sure you can eventually own a business, but that is something totally different than being a tradesman.

but sure go into the trades, less competition for me and my kids. but dont get mad when there is a 80% chance you never make it out of dead center middle class.

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Is every old person on here just bitter and angry constantly?

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I’m probably younger than you, you’re just an idiot.

Maybe, MAYBE, you’ll be part of the .01% that ends up owning a business in a trade and make a lot of money while not destroying yourself, but at that point you aren’t a tradesmen, you’re a business owner… but more likely you’ll cap at like $80k, get little to no time off, get shitty benefits, work a lot, and tear yourself up

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I’m probably younger than you, you’re just an idiot. Maybe, MAYBE, you’ll be part of the .01% that ends up owning a business in a trade and make a lot of money while not destroying yourself, but at that point you aren’t a tradesmen, you’re a business owner… but more likely you’ll cap at like $80k, get little to no time off, get shitty benefits, work a lot, and tear yourself up

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Dude I’m not going into construction or break breaking labor

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Is every old person on here just bitter and angry constantly?

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im 42 dumbass...im not bitter or angry...i think you whole premise is coming from a perspective of an under achiever who couldnt hack it

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Who’s complaining ?

Who’s trashing anyone ?

Who’s blaming anyone?

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i didnt say you were complaining. just that your whole viewpoint is skewed

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I’m pointing out how a short trend we thought would be the future from the 2000s-2020 turned out to not be what we thought

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and i would say you are wrong. The path to upper middle class or wealthy hasnt changed for the most part in last 50 years

become a degreed professional who is very driven and successful or be an entrepreneur. Those are the paths to 200k + household income.

cam you become a business owner working up and learning the trades, sure but over 50% of those businesses fail mainly because running a business is not the same skill set as being a tradesman.


but hey i guess im just an older bitter man at the ripe old age of 42. Hell i didnt even graduate until 2014 and yet i have raised my salary over 400% in that 10 year period and over 500% compared to what i was making in the trades