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re: Gay Marriage Spinoff: Where should the new line be drawn on marriage?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:47 pm to Salmon
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:47 pm to Salmon
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Salmon
I see what your saying. And once again, I personally do not thing relatives should be able to marry. I base that on moral rather than legal grounds though.
However, if the only basis for limiting adult relatives to marry one another was based on the possible "psychological" effects of such a union, then you've opened the door to the government having to evaluate every adult who wants to marry to see if they're psychologically capable of entering into a marriage contract. You cannot single out one group who wants to marry by requiring them to go through extra steps that everyone else is exempt from having to go through as well. There's the whole "equal protection" angle to consider.
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Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:48 pm to Darth_Vader
I'm not sure why polygamy is illegal in the first place. Its history is as long and steeped in religious values as "traditional" marriage. So I guess that's where I would draw the line.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:48 pm to Darth_Vader
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I personally do not thing relatives should be able to marry. I base that on moral rather than legal grounds though.
What is the precise moral issue it presents? Other than "ewwww that's weird".
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:48 pm to Darth_Vader
You are probably confusing the "supporter" crowd with the "I don't give a shite" crowd.
Either way, the divorce rate in Amemeica for heterosexual couples is astronomical. We have a huge budget deficit for public education, and childhood diabetes are at an all-time high.
It is insulting that our legislation spends any time discussing abortion and gay marriage as much as they do.
Either way, the divorce rate in Amemeica for heterosexual couples is astronomical. We have a huge budget deficit for public education, and childhood diabetes are at an all-time high.
It is insulting that our legislation spends any time discussing abortion and gay marriage as much as they do.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:49 pm to northshorebamaman
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I'm not sure why polygamy is illegal in the first place. Its history is as long and steeped in religious values as "traditional" marriage
And "traditional" marriage has been like 10 different things in the last handful of centuries
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:52 pm to lsu2006
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I think they should. There is absolutely no legal ground for not allowing incestuous marriage and the idea that incest leads to grave genetic disorders has been largely debunked. The only thing not allowing close relatives to marry is the "yuck" factor that has permeated our society over the years. The U.S. is one of very few jurisdictions in the world that largely prohibits inter-family marriage.
Good points. I am personally opposed to incestuous marriage. But like I just said above, I base that on moral rather than legal grounds. From a legal standpoint, now that marriage is no longer limited to only one man and one woman, there is really no "legal" basis to deny the right to marry to anyone who is of age of consent. Simply put, moral grounds or "yuck factor" cannot be used to limit marriage any longer.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:55 pm to lsu2006
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I personally do not thing relatives should be able to marry. I base that on moral rather than legal grounds though.
What is the precise moral issue it presents? Other than "ewwww that's weird".
This is strictly my personal belief, but I think incest is morally wrong.
However, from a legal standpoint, I don't see how two people who have reached the age of consent can be prevented from doing whatever they want with whomever they want.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:56 pm to lsu2006
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the idea that incest leads to grave genetic disorders has been largely debunked
Where has it been debunked?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:58 pm to Darth_Vader
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However, if the only basis for limiting adult relatives to marry one another was based on the possible "psychological" effects of such a union, then you've opened the door to the government having to evaluate every adult who wants to marry to see if they're psychologically capable of entering into a marriage contract. You cannot single out one group who wants to marry by requiring them to go through extra steps that everyone else is exempt from having to go through as well.
I'm not saying they should go through extra steps
I'm explicitly stating that I do not believe that marriage should be legal between a brother/sister/parent and it has nothing to with the "ewww factor" as the other poster stated.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but as long as the 2 people can contract otherwise, i'm down
Why limit it to 2?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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Where has it been debunked?
They haven't been debunked completely, but the chances are no more greater than a woman having a child past 40
or something like that
Posted on 9/3/15 at 3:00 pm to LNCHBOX
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Where has it been debunked?
Let me rephrase that. The increased likelihood of genetic defects arising due to incest compared to non-incestuous reproduction involving an older woman are, at best, marginal or inconsequential.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 3:01 pm to Salmon
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Salmon
Yeah, what he said.
I don't have a link at the moment but I'll see what I can find.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 3:01 pm to lsu2006
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The increased likelihood of genetic defects arising due to incest compared to non-incestuous reproduction are, at best, marginal or inconsequential.
According to whom?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 3:01 pm to mach316
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SJW's will make this happen. They thrive on the extreme.
People aren't marrying animals in the other countries that allowed gay marriage long ago
Posted on 9/3/15 at 3:01 pm to Darth_Vader
When do normal people get new rights?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:40 pm to el Gaucho
Ugly people should only be able to marry ugly people. It just best that way.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:41 pm to Pfft
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Ugly people should only be able to marry ugly people. It just best that way.
What if by the state's standard you're deemed to be ugly?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:51 pm to Darth_Vader
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I highly doubt it. And it all goes back to the matter of consent. An animal cannot consent to anything.
OK, I'm gonna go against the grain here and disagree.
When I hold my hand out to my dog, he will roll over onto his back, spread his legs, and allow me to scratch his belly. All the while, his tail is wagging. I would argue that he's consenting.
Now, if he can consent to one thing, who are you, or anyone else, to tell me or my dog what he "can" or "cannot" consent to?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:57 pm to Darth_Vader
I am interested to see how many same-sex marriages there are that are between friends who have no intention of having sex or being romantic in any way but just want to make their union legal for various reasons.
I would happily marry my bestie (no secks involved). Then she would get the benefit check of my retirement if I die. She would be my next of kin if I were terminally ill and take care of things the way i wanted, etc.
She would distribute the things in my will the way I wanted, etc.
She would work and I would be a stay at home wife taking care of her. Just stuff like that.
I would happily marry my bestie (no secks involved). Then she would get the benefit check of my retirement if I die. She would be my next of kin if I were terminally ill and take care of things the way i wanted, etc.
She would distribute the things in my will the way I wanted, etc.
She would work and I would be a stay at home wife taking care of her. Just stuff like that.
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