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re: Gasser didn't testify in McKnight case; Guilty of manslaughter

Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:55 am to
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:55 am to
Negligent? How could that possibly be a negligent homicide? Accidental discharge? Even then, if you've picked it up as part of this incident and it accidentally fires, it's a murder.

Also, the law you're looking at with respect to the presumption of self defense during an unlawful entry into a vehicle doesn't provide such a presumption when you've started some shite that leads to that, or when you're responsible for it continuing to progress. It's not attempting to provide a safe haven for you to retreat to after you've kicked off an incident and then shoot the other guy.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:56 am to
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It was a road rage incident at the same exact intersection that resulted in the defendant physically attacking someone.


Not relevant.

So this incident means that forever-on Gasser can never be allowed to defend himself?

Road rage isnt illegal.

Attempting to enter someones vehicle is. Killing someone unjustifiably is. These are the only two that matter. Everything that happened prior to the immediate events leading up to shooting, are irrelevant. All that matters is whether or not McKnight attempted to attack Gasser or enter Gassers vehicle.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 8:56 am
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:57 am to
Well, the law disagrees, on both points.

The idea that everything leading up to the actual shooting is irrelevant is laughable.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 8:58 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112605 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:07 am to
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So was it ever determined whether or not McKnights fingerprints were on the exterior or interior door handles?
His fingerprints were on the window ledge

However, McKnight was shot from a distance of more than three feet away as the finger prints were on the passenger window ledge, and not door handles at all

Think like this, where Gasser would be the female in the photo


Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:09 am to
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No it just shows he has a pattern of violent road rage incidents.


Right. But this isnt a road rage incident. Its a murder/justifiable homicide incident.

If this was a civil case about vehicular damages it might be relevant.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:10 am to
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Think like this, where Gasser would be the female in the photo


He'll also be a female at Angola.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112605 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:10 am to
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Right. But this isnt a road rage incident. Its a murder/justifiable homicide incident.

If this was a civil case about vehicular damages it might be relevant.
This absolutely is a road rage incident
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8692 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:14 am to
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But this isnt a road rage incident. 


There were numerous witnesses who saw a car chase /cut off contest spanning several miles.



Now you're just making stuff up.
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:15 am to
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I didn't see the interviews so I don't know what he said, but if you're claiming self defense and make no statement at all and don't testify, I think it's almost a lock that you'll be convicted of murder.



I should have been more specific and said if he had made a single statement to investigators, a coherent statement with the assistance of counsel, I think he would have walked. His three statements, which were detailed pretty extensively in the trial reporting were all over the place and conflicted at points. You give any competent investigator enough time and he is going to talk you in circles after all. I can imagine Gasser being arrogant enough to talk to them ONCE after the shooting but what idiot doesn’t think “maybe I should lawyer up” the second or third time they get him in the box?

Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:15 am to
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But prosecutors argued the crimes was admissible because it could be used to disprove Gasser's claim of self-defense in the McKnight shooting.


This is such shite.

I walk around angry everyday. Does this mean I can never claim self-defense because my anger means I only kill out of anger? The two are mutually exclusive.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8692 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:20 am to
Yeah, that makes sense. I thought you were referring to just sticking to total silence.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:47 am to
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It's called Prieur evidence.


In the Prieur case youre looking at determining identity of the assailant so the question becomes, does this person on trial have the capacity to commit the crime alleged. There is no dispute that it was Gasser who shot McKnight. Thats not whats being argued here.

The previous road rage incident should only be admissible under Prieur if this case was a road rage case. Its not. Its a murder/self-defense case. If Gasser had been involved in a previous incident involving self-defense or murder then it might be admissible.

"§ 445. Inference of intent; evidence of acts similar to that charged."

Road rage =/= to murder/justifiable homicide.

"In order to show intent, evidence is admissible of similar acts"

Again, road rage, even involving fisticuffs and especially resulting in a non-conviction, IS NOT similar to murder/justifiable homicide.

" that crime of system are those acts and offenses which are of a like nature and exhibit like methods or plans of operation. Spencer was a prosecution for armed robbery, and we held that evidence as to another armed robbery was admissible, for there the other armed robbery followed the same modus operandi as the armed robbery charged and was related in time and location."

Obviously the moron judges here in LA latch onto certain terms and phrases and ride with them. In this case they likely latched onto, "related in time and location" and totally ignored the requirement of, "those acts and offenses which are of a like nature"

Again, since the admissible evidence of an arrest of Gasser for a previous alleged crime of "like nature" was that of a road rage incident "related in time and location" and this is a case of murder/self-defense then I would contend that the current charge of murder in this case in the particular time and location that it occurred only met the requirement of a "related in time and location" pertaining to the previous road rage incident and certainly NOT that of a "like nature"

Not only that but the SCOLA had noted in the Prieur case that in previous cases you had 1, 2 and 3 as the number of dissenting judges when interpreting R.S. 15:445/6 in those cases so the court has obviously been divided before over this matter.

I would say an appeal might be in order.

Taken directly from the Prieur case;

"The admissibility of other acts of misconduct involves substantial risk of grave prejudice to a defendant. As to the prejudicial effect of evidence of other crimes, Wigmore says:
"* * * The natural and inevitable tendency of the tribunalwhether judge or juryis to give excessive weight to the vicious record of crime thus exhibited, and either to allow it to bear too strongly on the present charge, or to take the proof of it as justifying a condemnation irrespective of guilt of the present charge. * * *" 1 Wigmore, Evidence § 194 (3rd Ed.). "
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:54 am to
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The fact that Gasser even had his fricking window down with his hand on a gun would be enough for me. Just put your window up and ignore the guy. But no, as he said, he’s a man or whatever the frick he said.


Being an a-hole doesnt preclude you from the right to self-defense.

Gasser may be guilty as the sun is bright but dont mistake a typical and commonplace road side argument and the open window as a requirement for that argument to take place, as a viable excuse to disregard ones right to self-defense.

You and I should be able to argue all day but as soon as you put your hands on me or attempt to enter my vehicle or home its on like donkey kong and I would be justified in defending myself. Note I said "defending myself" and that doesnt necessarily result in murder of the aggressor. Thats a separate argument to make and thats what the Justifiable Homicide statue is there for. I encourage everyone to read it. Especially if you carry or own firearms for self-defense.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86448 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:56 am to
What type of law do you practice? And where?
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:05 am to
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Prosecutor Shannon Swaim told jurors that Gasser cannot legally say he was shooting in self-defense if he was going back and forth with McKnight.




Shes trying to use (incorrectly) the aggressor exception to justifiable homicide. Doesnt apply here. They were arguing. That doesnt justify Gasser escalating the argument to a fatality but he contends that McKnight entered the vehicle which would absolve him of any criminal charges that resulted in a death. The only thing to consider in this case is whether or not McKnight actually attempted to gain entry into Gassers vehicle. If thats the case then the argument leading up to it is completely irrelevant.

Obviously, the jurors felt that the evidence didnt show that McKnight attempted to gain entry.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 10:07 am
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
7910 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:08 am to
It was self defense, the thug McKnight harassed him, how did he know it was not a gun.

I am a witness...
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:09 am to
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They requested photographs, calculations and measurements associated with the scene of the shooting.


This makes me feel more comfortable about the conviction.

quote:

They also asked to be re-read the definitions of second-degree murder, manslaughter and negligent homicide.


This doesnt.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:14 am to
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One thing I noticed is the prosecution mentioning Gasser admitted to pulling his gun out somewhere on Degaulle. That's almost 2 miles away from the shooting. It was not pulled out in the heat of the moment. That's pretty damning in itself.


No its not.

I situate mine at the ready from time to time when in my car with my family if I think the situation demands it. There have been times, at night, with my family in the car, in NOLA, on a dimly lit side street with shady looking people approaching, where I have drawn my weapon and kept it near me in case it was needed. Split seconds may count and I dont want to waste any struggling to draw.

I would rather have and not need it than need it and not have it.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20417 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:14 am to
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Shes trying to use (incorrectly) the aggressor exception to justifiable homicide. Doesnt apply here


I noticed that too. The prosecution wants to argue that because you participated in, or even instigated, a road rage car chase that somehow you lose the right to self defense. Just because you are verbally arguing with someone, or driving like me an arse, doesn’t mean you can’t defend yourself legally when the other party ups the ante to a physical attack.

Where that argument gets tricky is when two guys willingly enter into a fist fight and then one party starts getting their arse whipped so they pull a gun out and shoot the other party. Later claiming that the arse shipping reached the point that they feared for their life. Now that is a hard case to defend.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8692 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:17 am to
You don't understand what you're looking at, just saying.

And again, the 5th Circuit and the LASC already denied writ on the very thing you believe is a sure misstep in this case.

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