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re: Gasser didn't testify in McKnight case; Guilty of manslaughter

Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:52 am to
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:52 am to
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Read this.


You don't think road rage + assault is similar to road rage + assault with a deadly weapon?
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:55 am to
Gotcha. Can't imagine it was a big point in any argument.

Depending on where he lived, you can take a variety of exits to get home depending on the time of the day
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:58 am to
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Under Louisiana law, what led to a murder alleged to have been committed in self defense is relevant.


Not necessarily.

If he had an argument a few days earlier with McKnight at a corner store in MS is that admissible?

So you tell me. What led to the murder? Hes on trial and is claiming justifiable homicide. What does the prosecution allege? That he wasnt justified in the murder because it didnt rise to the level of a reasonable fear, that McKnight didnt attempt to enter his vehicle or that he murdered McKnight solely because he was raging over a driving incident?

These questions matter.

For the record, Im not defending Gasser. Im not defending McKnight. I just like lively convo.

quote:

The fact that you're trying to say "we can consider his justification defense, but not what happened before the shooting" is comedy gold.



Not that we shoudlnt consider the evidence leading up to the shooting but that the road rage incident that both parties willingly participated in prior, is not really relevant in whether or not McKnight tried to enter Gasser vehicle or whether or not Gasser felt his life was in danger.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:59 am to
It’s a big deal as far as the aggressor doctrine and disengaging from the confrontation. I could be wrong, but it’s my understanding he stated in the interviews with the police right after that he was going home and the other exit was the most direct way but he passed it up to continue the confrontation. That coupled with his “I don’t call the police because I’m a man and fight my own battles” and that he also pulled out his pistol a mile or two before the shooting makes it hard to believe he was not also at least the co-aggressor.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:01 am to
Well if he said all that

Was that with an attorney present?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86433 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:03 am to
I think he spoke at length without an attorney.

Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:05 am to
You should just go to jail for being that stupid.

In your professional opinion, if I shoot a man in which I think is self defense, after I call the cops should the lawyer be the next call and don't talk until he is there?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:05 am to
Simply put, Gasser thought he knew the law and he would be justified killing McKnight the moment he put his hands on the window. He didn't think he did anything wrong.

He was wrong.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:06 am to
quote:

In your professional opinion, if I shoot a man in which I think is self defense, after I call the cops should the lawyer be the next call and don't talk until he is there?




I think you have those calls backwards, but I know you're not asking me.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86433 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:07 am to
None of this is actual legal advice, but I’d always suggest having a lawyer present when you’re talking to the cops.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:08 am to
Haha I was thinking that also
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86433 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:08 am to
Yeah, there was an arrogance from gasser that permeated throughout this whole thing.

That’s a helluva thing to go all-in on
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:09 am to
quote:


None of this is actual legal advice


Already disbarred?

Jeez man
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:09 am to
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Haha I was thinking that also


I really don't know how to handle it. I'd probably call the cops first, then an attorney. Calling an attorney first is a bad look, even if it's the best advice.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86433 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:09 am to
I couldn’t believe they even let me in to begin with
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:10 am to
quote:

Yeah, there was an arrogance from gasser that permeated throughout this whole thing.

That’s a helluva thing to go all-in on


I'm sure this all played into the decision to keep him off the stand. Dude probably would have been a disaster on cross.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:11 am to
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You don't think road rage + assault is similar to road rage + assault with a deadly weapon?


No, no.

I made that post in reference to the admissibility of a prior incident that Gasser was involved in.

If that was your understanding of my post then Ill engage; yes, I dont think "road rage + assault is similar to road rage + assault with a deadly weapon".

Couple reasons.

1. He was only arrested in the previous incident. I dont think it even went to trial. I could be wrong about that.

2. The previously alleged incident involved doesnt inform us to the justification of Gasser alleged self-defense. Only to alleged likelihood that Gasser would have participated in road rage + violence.

I get that its a fine line and its really hard to separate in ones mind but to me this is purely two separate incidents. A road rage incident with two willing participants and a self-defense case. To me, the two are mutually exclusive and should be argued on their own merits separately and since hes not on trial for road rage I think the court erred in its allowance of the previously alleged incident as it creates a prejudicial burden on the defendant to an unrelated case that only met the "time and place" requirement which is an obvious coincidence and highly unfortunate for Gasser.

All of this doesnt even take into account that either party, regardless of who the initial aggressor was, can willing withdraw at any point from the conflict and then become the victim. I think the defense could have argued that once McKnight boxed-in Gasser and then got out of his car and approached Gasser, even placing himself on Gassers vehicle, that Gasser was not only no longer the aggressor but that he was attempting to withdrawn without the duty to retreat.

I know. This case is tricky as frick.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 11:14 am
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86433 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:15 am to
quote:

I get that its a fine line and its really hard to separate in ones mind but to me this is purely two separate incidents. A road rage incident with two willing participants and a self-defense case. To me, the two are mutually exclusive and should be argued on their own merits separately and since hes not on trial for road rage I think the court erred in its allowance of the previously alleged incident as it creates a prejudicial burden on the defendant to an unrelated case that only met the "time and place" requirement


Challenge for cause

Thank god for voire dire
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
33912 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:19 am to
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The previous incident was an assault. He got out of his car and beat a guy
allegedly. He was never prosecuted due to lack of evidence.

So, every time someone accuses you of something, that should be used against you in the court of law? Even if there isn't sufficient evidence to prove the accusations true?

ETA: dude likely gets the same guilty charge without the court murking up the situation. It was just a dumb decision. If he'd been convicted and proven guilty of the past claim of road rage, then that info is maybe valid. As of now, he had a verbal accusation with no evidence used against him in a completely separate case.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 11:22 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:22 am to
Even with all of that, the defense still has to argue that deadly force was the only way Gasser could get McKnight to leave the vehicle.

I'd imagine Gasser's tapes leaned towards self defense due to a fear of or his life more than stand your ground. Stand your ground was the better defense. This is speculation though.
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