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re: Former Gov Edwin Edwards has died at 93

Posted on 7/13/21 at 6:12 am to
Posted by andouille
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 7/13/21 at 6:12 am to
All this wailing over that scoundrel, good riddance, at least no one has said he is in a better place, we all know that is very unlikely.
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7349 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 6:16 am to
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86 year old EWE pumped out a kid.


Or did he?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
33243 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 6:52 am to
To compare Edwin Edwards to Pablo Escobar is rank stupid hyperbole. No doubt he was ethically challenged at times but he did not kill people or threaten their safety.

You should read Maginnis' book The Last Hayride to get a better feel of who he was and how he operated politically. Also I was reading another poster in here that mentioned his box suite in the Dome and the Saints / Falcons playoff game. You don't have that game without Edwards. You don't have the Super Bowls in the 80s and 90's without Edwards. You would have a giant eyesore that would no doubt be in horrific disrepair without Edwards' involvement. He saved the Saints from leaving in the mid 80s when John Mecom was getting ready to pick up and move most probably to Jacksonville.

By the way, that suite that the poster spoke of was not Edwards' suite. It belonged to the Superdome itself and for use by the Superdome Commission which was lead at the time by Mark Delesdernier . I know, I used to bartend those games in that suite and I distinctly remember bartending that game in 1991.

Sentries, good government types back then would bitch and complain about him,, but they never offered up any concrete proposals in the legislature. They would do nothing even when Edwards or for that matter Roemer would invite them to the table to see where there could be common ground. Guys like Vitter would do nothing but bitch and throw up roadblocks. The black caucus would make ridiculous demands. Oil men out of Shreveport wanted shite. Lumber interests would try to screw with people's property rights. No one wanted to compromise on budgetary issues.

Yeah he did things for South Louisiana that may have been ....gratuitous, but he understood that South Louisiana was the economic engine that drove the state and New Orleans was in the driver's seat. As goes New Orleans, so goes the state. I remember a Lt. Governor telling me one time that if we did not keep the Saints and we did not keep NOLA halfway operational, Louisiana would be a place that you drove through to get from Houston to Florida with state troopers collecting money from motorists.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:10 am to
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Sentries, good government types back then would bitch and complain about him,, but they never offered up any concrete proposals in the legislature. They would do nothing even when Edwards or for that matter Roemer would invite them to the table to see where there could be common ground. Guys like Vitter would do nothing but bitch and throw up roadblocks. The black caucus would make ridiculous demands. Oil men out of Shreveport wanted shite. Lumber interests would try to screw with people's property rights. No one wanted to compromise on budgetary issues.


Not a huge fan of Edwards, but there's some truth to this. I am thinking more of people like C.B. Forgotston and Rafael Goyeneche, who make a lot of noise about corruption but seem to lack the connections or personality or something to actually gain any traction with anyone who might make any difference.

I used to group John Kennedy with those guys, but in fairness to Kennedy he's actually contested and won elections and been a force for good. Unfortunately I don't think the U.S. Senate has much influence over Levee Board ticket-fixing or Public Belt Railroad Brother-in-law-ism or whatever.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15184 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:04 am to
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Louisiana would be a place that you drove through to get from Houston to Florida with state troopers collecting money from motorists.


Good news. Now it’s just a long desolate stretch between two Bucees.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
33243 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 11:09 am to
Name a lost opportunity that can be blamed on Edwards....specifically. The guy liked money and more of it made him happy. I've talked to big business guys around the country about Louisiana for years and graft/ corruption is far down the list. New Orleans area politics however are higher up. Education is higher up, the lack of infrastructure is higher up. Location is up there, the lack of good ground in SE and areas South of I10 is always huge. You realize that between NOLA and BR on I 10 you have a lack of good ingress and egress and too much swampland that is FEDERALLY protected. You do realize that Martin Marietta in New Orleans got scuttled in the 80's due to FEDERAL contracts moving to places like Texas and Florida and the fact that Michoud was built on a swamp and cannot expand much beyond its current footprint. Oil and Gas companies loved Edwards in the 1970s as did banks.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
20678 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:11 pm to
"A lost opportunity": As noted in an earlier thread, the State had Texaco by its balls for gross underpayment of oil & gas royalties from the mineral rights the State owned. It was a slam dunk, no question about it, Texaco got caught with its pants down & all the documentation was there in the 100's of depositions taken & Texaco's own documents. Texaco, though, was able to drag it out, till EWE was re-elected. This was between his 2nd & 3rd terms . When he got back into office, the State, for no known legal reason, settled with Texaco for pennies on the dollar. The oil & gas industry & the legal community was shocked. Hundreds of millions of dollars was involved. Lost. EWE in turn had a 10'high brick fence built by Texaco, completely around his huge Texas ranch. Debartolo, in copping his plea with the Feds over kickbacks he got from EWE, openly complained about the corruption, tied to EWE, that was La.s reputation. How much money did the State lose when EWE & his Lebanese mafia cronies took over the running of Evangeline Downs? How much money did the State lose in buying right-of-ways, for I-49 through St.Landry Parish? The term kick back comes to mind. I know a part of the oil industry that only did not love EWE, it hated having to deal with him. Related to EWE's control of the State Mineral Board which controlled the leasing of the State's mineral rights.I have never heard, from any source, that La. did not suffer economically because of its corruption reputation.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47589 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:28 pm to
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Like his politics or not, he was a boss. His way to the end.


He was a thief, a dirty filthy thief.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15184 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:39 pm to
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I've talked to big business guys around the country about Louisiana for years and graft/ corruption is far down the list.


This is the exact opposite of my experience. I’ve been told by 3 of the largest investment institutions in the world not to put any Louisiana assets in their portfolio. These covered multiple energy sectors. Why? The corruption and culture of theft creates too much instability. To put that in perspective, 2 of the 3 are ok with investing in Argentina.
Posted by Dominate308
South Florida
Member since Jan 2013
2895 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:45 pm to
Nobody cares. Get back to work.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
33243 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:02 pm to
DeBartolo was happy to pay the fee to his buddy Edwin. It was not until the Yorks found out and were going to use it to wrest control of the 49ers that he cops and Denise York ends up screwing Eddie DeBartolo anyway. You should do more homework on the Texaco deal because It was Ieyoub who suggested that settlement after talking to lawyers from Texaco who were quite willing to drag the litigation out ad infinitum via the triple M approach. This I believe was in 94 and Texaco agreed to pay 250 million in cash and a side deal of 162 million vowing more investment in oilfield jobs....a lot of people at the time thought it a good compromise given what Texaco was threatening. Also the lawsuit at the time was depressing o&g production on lease held by Texaco...so it was a trade off and Edwards went for it
You can make the claim on the fence. It may have happened the way you suggest.

As to Evangeline Downs,your attempts at revisionist history or incomplete history take the cake.You do realize that Denny and Willis ran it pretty far into the ground that they missed payments of purse money. Then they missed mortgage payments so the bank seized it from them.
Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5914 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:36 pm to

I suspect he'll run again anyway and will probably get elected again.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
12261 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:56 pm to
Maginnes wrote a cover story. I have eyewitnesses including a relative who prospered from his lack of ethics.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
20678 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 2:08 pm to
I'll stand by my sources, you will as well I am sure. My father was a landman for over 30 yrs & much to his distaste, had way too many dealings with Edwards, as did associates of his in the industry as well...they all told the same stories. Bottom line, EWE got out of bed each morning looking for money to steal.
Posted by Jimmy2shoes
The South
Member since Mar 2014
11004 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 2:28 pm to
I played at the same craps table with him and Candy. Fun night slinging $5 chips when he was betting a couple hundred a roll
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6841 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 2:38 pm to
I didn't care for his policy or ethics but GOT DAMN I bet he was fun to hang out with!!!!!!!!
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
12261 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 3:22 pm to
Same here. I talked with several developers interested in a shuttered industrial site and when they found out Louisiana, all interest ceased immediately
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
83914 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 3:24 pm to
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Same here. I talked with several developers interested in a shuttered industrial site and when they found out Louisiana, all interest ceased immediately



lolz if you baws think La has the market cornered on that, we're not even lose
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15184 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 3:41 pm to
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lolz if you baws think La has the market cornered on that, we're not even lose

I don’t personally think La is the only banana republic shithole. I know a couple small ones in west Texas where a certain judge has destroyed any opportunity for growth and many more across the US and abroad.

But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about a specific piece of shite who did this to Louisiana and how much better off the world is now that said pos has met satan and will rot in hell for eternity. Is he the only one? Hell no.
This post was edited on 7/13/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
12261 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 4:13 pm to
A chimp could have looked good with the economy in the 70's. McDermott was paying 50% above union scale and popping out jackets, caissons and production platforms like puppies from Amelia. Anyone could get a job. Even during still largely segregated Gulf Coast, black men were getting paid union scale by smaller companies in the Morgan City/Amelia area. Everyone was making money, everyone.

He was making bank as well as those who supported him in 1971. An uncle was among that group, via one of his partners made a deal to furnish a pair of twin engine planes to Edwards campaign for use. After he won, they were able to pick and choose which wells to provide drilling fluids for with every major oil company operating in the state. No play no lease or drilling permit. They sold the company near the end of Edwards' 2nd term while sales volume was artificially high. All of them lost their money, my uncle lost his in a scam real estate tax shelter in Texas, and his investment when real estate collapsed in the early 80's.

A friend here in BR owned an auto dealership where one drawer in his desk was for Edwards biz. Men came with with brown paper bags and someone from Edwards office came by once a week to collect the bags.

Then there was the poker game weekly at the governor mansion where men went to lose $10k plus inorder to get state contracts. Edwards claimed all of this as gambling winnings on his taxes to launder it. He publicized trips to Vegas was to play up that he liked to gamble make the poker winnings look legit.
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