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re: For those not watching the Kyle Rittenhouse trial
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:56 am to CAD703X
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:56 am to CAD703X
I’m lost as heck here as I just read the threads as I do not have time to watch the trial.
Is this correct it this was notes taken from today?
1) prosecution team looks like their case is screwed as their hand is over their face.
2) seems like the Team overlooked the witness violating the law by carrying a weapon. They have done nothing to go after the witness who also violated the law.
3) Looks like the defense team also made the prosecution team’s witness look unreliable. It seems to the point that they showed testimony that Kyle protected himself which can be seen as self defense.
Is this pretty much the notes from yesterday?
Is this correct it this was notes taken from today?
1) prosecution team looks like their case is screwed as their hand is over their face.
2) seems like the Team overlooked the witness violating the law by carrying a weapon. They have done nothing to go after the witness who also violated the law.
3) Looks like the defense team also made the prosecution team’s witness look unreliable. It seems to the point that they showed testimony that Kyle protected himself which can be seen as self defense.
Is this pretty much the notes from yesterday?
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:47 am
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Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:58 am to johnnyrocket
At minimum. It was much worse than that for the prosecution.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:59 am to Dire Wolf
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my thinking a teenage no business at a riot.
Most of the people rioting were teens and very young adults, and at this time in history there is very little difference between the two.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:07 am
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:06 am to Dire Wolf
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Just explain me why a 17 year old running around a riot is a good idea
Me running into a burning building to help someone is not a good idea. That doesnt make it wrong though
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:11 am to Dire Wolf
quote:He is just a patriot from the PT
Let me just hear it from you, what is so illogical about my thinking a teenage no business at a riot.
He damn near died over this.
Kyle deserves to be acquitted, 100%. Actually, he should have never been charged. The entire trial is absolute bullshite. But he is a fricking idiot for putting himself in the situation
Put it this way, if you saw your teenager suiting up and grabbing his AR to go to the local riot how would you handle it?
“Have fun son. Don’t be home too late or get murdered”
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:17 am
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:And they are complete idiots as well
Most of the people rioting were teens and very young adults
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:22 am to lsupride87
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We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular
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We can deny our heritage and our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibilities. As a nation we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age.
A link to “ Edward R. Murrow broadcast a documentary that used clips from McCarthy’s own speeches to create a portrait of Joseph McCarthy and McCarthyism.”
His speech was aimed at support of the first amendment but can easily be applied to doing what is right.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:25 am to lsupride87
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Put it this way, if you saw your teenager suiting up and grabbing his AR to go to the local riot how would you handle it?
“Have fun son. Don’t be home too late or get murdered”
if you've been watching the trial this appears to be the sequence:
- a month or so earlier, kyle's sister's BF bought an AR for Kyle locally in kenosha (technically illegal since kyle was 17 at the time) and his father (the BF's father) agreed to keep kyle's AR in his gun safe in kenosha.
- sister's BF asked kyle to come over to his house and help clean up the damage from the day before
- sister's BF's dad took all firearms out of gun safe and laid them out in the living so they would be easy to access for protection as their house wasn't far from where the rioters were burning the city down and they were planning to be ready for anything.
- kyle & his sister's BF decided the other brothers could take care of the house and they would go check out the town & clean up graffit at the sister's BF's high school
- at some point kyle picked up his AR from the firearms and took it with him (unsure if that was in the morning or later in the day) and he talked sister's BF into stopping at a gun shop where he purchased slings for himself and his sister's BF's AR (in hindsight this is what saved his life)
- unsure if sister's BF was with kyle at the car shop that night or not. i want to say he was but i'm not sure.
in other words, i don't think kyle told his mom that morning what he was up to or he told her he was just going to clean graffiti. not sure when he decided to grab medical gear and also not sure who asked him to help protect that car lot. also not sure if kyle's mom knew her daughter's BF bought kyle an AR or if kyle was planning to grab it.
i may have some of that wrong, but i think thats the gist of what was said in court.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:28 am
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:27 am to CAD703X
quote:I understand that I was making a point
in other words, i don't think kyle told his mom that morning what he was up to or he told her he was just going to clean graffiti.
Not a single rational adult human being thinks going anywhere near that riot is a good idea. We shouldn’t lie about that. There is no reason to
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:29 am to lsupride87
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Not a single rational adult human being thinks going anywhere near that riot is a good idea. We shouldn’t lie about that. There is no reason to
oh i dont disagree but when i was 18 years old, drunk me and a friend scaled the baton rouge MS river bridge at midnight, got underneath on the catwalk and walked from one side of the bridge to the other over the water with only a single pipe on either side to grab for railing
not one of young-me's better decisions
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:30 am
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:29 am to CAD703X
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unsure if sister's BF was with kyle at the car shop that night or not. i want to say he was but i'm not sure.
He was. He was on the roof I believe.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:33 am to TDTOM
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He was. He was on the roof I believe.
2 things come to mind
1. how much did kyle look up to his sister's BF? did he convince kyle to come to kenosha or did kyle pressure him to go?
2. what is the monkey business with the car lot and who asked who to come protect it? those ethnic dudes who own those 3 lots were SUPER SKETCH on the stand and i believe committed perjury in a couple places (lying about providing a ladder for them to get on the roof and lying about giving them a key to go in and out of the shop that night)
IOW, i am curious how much of this was kyle being a 'gung ho militia man' or how much of this was him being influenced by people he looked up to (his sister's BF and local business owners) and wanting to do what they asked him to do.
we'll probably never know 100% how he got there but at 17 he's more than capable of taking responsibility for his decisions.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:36 am
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:36 am to CAD703X
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2. what is the monkey business with the car lot and who asked who to come protect it?
The BF (Dominic Black) testified that Sam asked him to protect the lot. Sam when on the stand denied it. So, the prosecution has two witnesses contradicting each other.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:37 am to CAD703X
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i may have some of that wrong, but i think thats the gist of what was said in court.
Correct.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:38 am to TDTOM
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The BF (Dominic Black) testified that Sam asked him to protect the lot. Sam when on the stand denied it. So, the prosecution has two witnesses contradicting each other.
and so far, only one of these 2 people has committed perjury on the stand so there's that.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:42 am to Dire Wolf
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You don’t need a rifle to give first aid at a riot where no one else was shot
Peep the video of the riots. You're willfully ignorant if you say you wouldn't arm yourself given the chance.
There was aid rendered during the time he was there.
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Again, he didn’t do anything wrong but everything was extremely avoidable
Agreed.
Nobody should have been destroying private property. There is no need to defend private property if nobody is destroying it.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:44 am to Dire Wolf
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A lot words to say you can’t
Nah, a decent amount of words to show how much of an illogical bitch you are. Again.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
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Not a single rational adult human being thinks going anywhere near that riot is a good idea. We shouldn’t lie about that. There is no reason to
This is a perfect example of the abject pussification of America that has driven us into the ground. You’re saying mob rule, savages raping and pillaging and burning shite down should be given the right of way and let “the authorities” handle it. What a fricking joke.
This young man is a hero. He defended his town. If you and every other dude had half the courage of this kid our country would be in a much better spot. But no, sip your pumpkin spice latte and wait for the government to take care of you.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:14 am to 10MTNTiger
quote:Oh ok. So you were in towns last year fighting the riots? You would want your teenage kids doing that?
This young man is a hero. He defended his town. If you and every other dude had half the courage of this kid our country would be in a much better spot. But no, sip your pumpkin spice latte and wait for the government to take care of you.
That’s what I thought
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:23 am to 10MTNTiger
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But no, sip your pumpkin spice latte and wait for the government to take care of you.
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