re: For parents with teenage sons taking supplements for athletics.

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I worked in a lab my entire career. During that time I've had lab on every type of patient. I've seen Creatinine levels as high as 19 on dialysis patients. Normal around 1.0. Had a 25 year old ER patient come in and I couldn't get his creatinine to "read". Diluted it several different ways and finally ended up with a 32 for an answer. I didn't believe it was correct and continued to try to find what was causing the "interference". I took so long the ER doc came to the lab. I told him what was going on and he said the guy had ate half a can of creatine and he believed the 32 result. Guy had essentially dissolved his kidney.

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lol. this is such a BS story.

Creatine is safe. its naturally occurring in meat you would normally eat. it is by far the most studied workout supplement. The worse thing your going to have to manage is your sons disappointment. He probably wont really notice that much of a difference or at all after taking it. it helps with recovery and some strength (very minor). its not a magic compound that's going to increase his athletic ability leaps and bounds.

parents who let their kids eat processed, sugar laden junk regularly are doing more damage to them than you would be letting your son take creatine.

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Precisely the reason you should not come to the OT regarding your child’s health. Consider contacting a credentialed sports nutritionists for this type of advice.

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its el guacho, he automatically says the dumbest most counter productive thing he can think of. its his schtick, for whatever reason.

Do you any suggestions for the best/purest creatine product out there for a 14y/o?

Would GNC carry it?

Does he wrestle all year, or is he focused into a season? He being coached privately, or just through school?

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and their are no real plant based protein other than power.

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Of course, there are. You're talking about complete proteins, the full amino acid chains required to build muscle. No single plant source contains complete proteins but mixing various plant types can give you the complete amino acid chains you need to build muscle. This is why a vegan diet is more challenging than most Vegans or potential Vegans would like to admit.

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if you are referring to meat based proteins raising cholesterol

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No, dietary cholesterol has little effect, that is primarily a function of genetics which thankfully works in my favor in this case. I want to maintain my muscle right now though I do need to lose a bit of weight so I need to be a little cautious and make sure I do get adequate protein, I try to avoid excess carbs as well. I eat a lot of meat so that won't be an issue for me.

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doesnt mean they cant be shitty metas

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when its dozens and 100s upon 100s of studies all showing pretty much the same thing....not really. i mean i dont find most metas to be shitty, single studies yes but most metas are pretty good.

not all though cause they are always dependent on them selecting relevant and good studies but in general if they include enough it balances.

but i mean you find a supplement more researched than creatine and at some point...

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Of course, there are. You're talking about complete proteins, the full amino acid chains required to build muscle. No single plant source contains complete proteins but mixing various plant types can give you the complete amino acid chains you need to build muscle. This is why a vegan diet is more challenging than most Vegans or potential Vegans would like to admit.

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you do understand that current recommendations for vegan lifters is 2.2g/kg (higher than non vegan) due to lower levels of lysine and a couple other proteins....and you realize to get to these levels you are talking massive amounts of beans.

its why 99% of vegans look like shite and have shite health

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No, dietary cholesterol has little effect, that is primarily a function of genetics which thankfully works in my favor in this case. I want to maintain my muscle right now though I do need to lose a bit of weight so I need to be a little cautious and make sure I do get adequate protein, I try to avoid excess carbs as well. I eat a lot of meat so that won't be an issue for me.

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He’s not really angry. lsu777 brings quite a bit of knowledge

He comes across a bit angry at times but I think that’s bc he doesn’t have tolerance for stupidity

But he’s pretty informative overall

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really not angry just gets annoying when we have this wealth of information out there with all kinds of scientific data that people just post random stuff


i appreciate the compliment

and i dont try to come off angry...it seems people say that if i call them out on being full of shite and post the proof.

i dunno why people get so defensive about that. this place teaches me something new daily.

I dont know if it has been discussed in this thread, but be careful about wrestling in particular with creatine. The supplement itself is usually OK for high school aged kids, but the weight cutting and occasional dehydration to make weight does not mix well with that supplement and has lead to issues in the past.

Don't mix creatine with weight cutting. Wrestlers sweat, A LOT.

FWIW I was a former HS wrestler who works in healthcare.