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re: For history buffs, two questions.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 2:46 pm to White Roach
Posted on 2/25/18 at 2:46 pm to White Roach
The French and British were very close to attacking the USSR on 1939-1940 on pretext of aiding the Finns. They wanted to deprive Germany of Russian oil.
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 2:46 pm to doubleb
2nd question - Don’t have anything substantive to add because previous posters have answered your question quite well.
But I’m in Europe on business for ten days (currently in Brussels) and yesterday took the day to drive to Bastogne to visit the town and the Bastogne War museum ( Bastogne War Museum.)
Really impressive museum and moving external monument. Very well done.
I’d read so much about the battle over the years, it was a treat to actually visit the area.
Go, if you ever get the chance!
But I’m in Europe on business for ten days (currently in Brussels) and yesterday took the day to drive to Bastogne to visit the town and the Bastogne War museum ( Bastogne War Museum.)
Really impressive museum and moving external monument. Very well done.
I’d read so much about the battle over the years, it was a treat to actually visit the area.
Go, if you ever get the chance!
Posted on 2/25/18 at 2:51 pm to doubleb
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Britain had cracked the Enigma Code and was reading German communications so how did Germany manage to surprise the Allies in 1944 at the Battle of the Bulge?
Because the Germans had reason to suspect the codes were compromised, and didn't discuss the plans electronically, just coded meaningless execution words
Posted on 2/25/18 at 2:51 pm to doubleb
Churchill didn't really care about Poland and had a secret agreement with Stalin to not war.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 2:54 pm to fallguy_1978
fallguy-1978
Great post about your grandfather.
Great post about your grandfather.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:05 pm to DallasTiger
Thanks. WWII has always fascinated me. I could watch documentaries or read about it daily. The hell the guys went through in the Pacific theater is under told imo.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:05 pm to DallasTiger
Yes, I can vouch for the fact that the Ardennes Forest is a great WW2 battlefield to visit.
I will venture as far as to say this: it is the best WW2 battlefield to visit. Let me say why: 1) This area was a tourist and resort spot for decades before WW2, so, it is already a great place to visit even if you don't like WW2 battlefields. 2) When I first visited this battlefield not too long ago, there were still US foxholes with US wool coat fragments in them out in the woods near Rocherath-Krinkelt. I saw this with my own eyes. There are probably more such things elsewhere. So, it is a REAL place to see REAL things, not just museums. AND the museums are GREAT.
I will venture as far as to say this: it is the best WW2 battlefield to visit. Let me say why: 1) This area was a tourist and resort spot for decades before WW2, so, it is already a great place to visit even if you don't like WW2 battlefields. 2) When I first visited this battlefield not too long ago, there were still US foxholes with US wool coat fragments in them out in the woods near Rocherath-Krinkelt. I saw this with my own eyes. There are probably more such things elsewhere. So, it is a REAL place to see REAL things, not just museums. AND the museums are GREAT.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:08 pm to doubleb
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Britain had cracked the Enigma Code and was reading German communications so how did Germany manage to surprise the Allies in 1944 at the Battle of the Bulge?
Germans got quieter plus the weather prevented aerial recon.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:09 pm to Champagne
Damn I'll have to add that to my bucket list.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:18 pm to doubleb
On iPhone riding in car so no good links for you bastards...
BUT: Google General Troy Middleton Battle of the Bulge for some LSU connection.
BUT: Google General Troy Middleton Battle of the Bulge for some LSU connection.
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:19 pm to Champagne
I’m knowledgeable on the battle from reading, less so on the battlefields because I’d never visited the area until yesterday. But based on my one-day trip, I’d agree with everything you said.
The lack of development in the region probably has allowed for the preservation of battlefields.
Cold, clear and windy yesterday. Standing on that hill east of Bastogne where the museum and monument are located... looking down on the town and looking east at the rolling hills, fields and forests, all covered in snow. I felt like a German tank was going to appear in the distance.
The lack of development in the region probably has allowed for the preservation of battlefields.
Cold, clear and windy yesterday. Standing on that hill east of Bastogne where the museum and monument are located... looking down on the town and looking east at the rolling hills, fields and forests, all covered in snow. I felt like a German tank was going to appear in the distance.
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:26 pm to DallasTiger
Just think how cool it would be to sneak out into the deep woods near Bullingen and Rocherath-Krinkelt and find those US foxholes, to spend the night in or near one.
The 12SS Hitlerjugend Division attacked right along that road. Those foxholes are very likely to have been in the battle.
Wonder if we'd see any ghosts?
The 12SS Hitlerjugend Division attacked right along that road. Those foxholes are very likely to have been in the battle.
Wonder if we'd see any ghosts?
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:34 pm to Champagne
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Wonder if we'd see any ghosts?
If we did, they’d be the ghosts of tough and brave men, that’s for sure.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:38 pm to DallasTiger
Dallas, I lived in Germany for 7 total years in a 3 year stint as a child and a 4 year stint as an adult... I visited Dresden, Scweinfurt, and took a 4 day guided tour of the Normandy region....
That being said, your post has inspired me to visit the Ardennes and Bastogne. Cheers to you sir!
That being said, your post has inspired me to visit the Ardennes and Bastogne. Cheers to you sir!
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:45 pm to geaux88
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That being said, your post has inspired me to visit the Ardennes and Bastogne. Cheers to you sir!
Yeah that's going in our 2019 vacation budget. My daughter was lucky enough to know her great grandfather until she was about 7. I'd love to take her there.
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:46 pm to fallguy_1978
Thank you
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:50 pm to geaux88
Well, if you go, this isn’t a bad place to enjoy dinner in Bastogne.
Excellent French Restaurant
And they didn’t even smirk that much at my inability to speak French!
Excellent French Restaurant
And they didn’t even smirk that much at my inability to speak French!
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:12 pm to doubleb
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Thank you
Honestly that story is 1 of about 1000 that he told me. I'd just hate to get the details wrong. He practically raised me for most of my childhood. I'll post another one if I think of it.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:40 pm to fallguy_1978
Please do, it's a great way to pass on your Paw Paw's story.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:40 pm to fallguy_1978
Good thread guys. Real great read.
My Uncle, still alive in Atlanta, GA area fought in Patton's 3rd Army during the Buldge. He went through a lot in that but has always been very open about it. I, like others, would hate to tell his story and be wrong about details. He is very humbled to have been part of such a harrowing but important piece of history. We bought him a brick at the WWII museum many years ago. He was very delighted by it. The man is one of my heros.
We have it so freaking easy compared to that generation and many others. It's crazy how lucky we are.
My Uncle, still alive in Atlanta, GA area fought in Patton's 3rd Army during the Buldge. He went through a lot in that but has always been very open about it. I, like others, would hate to tell his story and be wrong about details. He is very humbled to have been part of such a harrowing but important piece of history. We bought him a brick at the WWII museum many years ago. He was very delighted by it. The man is one of my heros.
We have it so freaking easy compared to that generation and many others. It's crazy how lucky we are.
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