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Posted on 7/18/22 at 10:30 am to Cash
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Assume you meant to type expensive. So a better question would be maybe, would they have been integrated or would the CSA be an apartheid state?
Unlike South Africa, there aren’t diamonds or anything to attract white settlers to the south. They could import southern/Eastern Europeans but those go against the South’s purity views. The remaining people in the region will more than likely be economically poor and blame the capitalist planter class for ditching them.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 10:44 am to fr33manator
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industrialization made it inefficient as a labor model
Only in some markets, not domestic service. I bet the South would've kept slavery if for no other reason but to maintain the social structure. After all, they viewed slavery as, "the greatest material interest of the world".
Besides, all of the evidence points to the fact that, whether or not they were slaves, blacks would never be accepted as full citizens in the South without some sort of external intervention.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 10:47 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Only in some markets, not domestic service. I bet the South would've kept slavery if for no other reason but to maintain the social structure. After all, they viewed slavery as, "the greatest material interest of the world".
before the Civil War, Mississippi, of all places, realized that slavery was wrong but the labor force was crucial to their commerce and were working up programs to entice blacks to come there to work and be compensated for moving there and working there
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:05 am to 777Tiger
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before the Civil War, Mississippi [had] programs to entice blacks to come there to work and be compensated for moving there and working there.
That looks like a set up. I wonder how many fell for it.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:08 am to Ajo Devil
If the south woulda won we woulda had it made
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:09 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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That looks like a set up. I wonder how many fell for it.
read that in "Rising Tide," first I'd heard of that, that I could recall, a pretty well documented book
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:16 am to 777Tiger
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read that in "Rising Tide," first I'd heard of that, that I could recall, a pretty well documented book
Well, contrast that with how blacks were treated in the wake of the flood and you should see that, in Mississippi anyway, they never were going to let black people be truly free without federal intervention.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:34 am to Ajo Devil
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If the South had won, what would the two countries look like today?
Dunno, but (just like the Union) the European Int'l Banksters would have taken the South/Confederacy over as well -- and inserted their corrupt, unprincipled Puppets to run it.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:37 am to Cash
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would the CSA be an apartheid state?
Of course it would have been an apartheid state.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:37 am to elprez00
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I’m not sure how a CSA/USA survives The Depression.
It survives by maintaining a Gold backed currency and NOT having the Federal Reserve Banksters gangstas controlling and printing its OWN fiat money supply TO BEGIN WITH.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:40 am to Ajo Devil
But the reason the south lost because it was a backwards agrarian society with nothing but Cotton, Slaves, and Arrogance to sustain off of. Letting the south miraculously win is like leaving a baby out in the Congolese jungle and seeing if it survives. Could it? Maybe! Will it? Most likely NOT!
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:43 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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contrast that with how blacks were treated in the wamke of the flood
two completely different scenarios
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they never were going to let black people be truly free without federal intervention.
iirc, and I don't have time to go re-read the book, the impetus was from business leaders trying to address future labor shortages
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:47 am to fr33manator
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They would have voluntarily ended slavery by the 1890s at the latest like the most of the rest of the world as industrialization made it inefficient as a labor model.
You’d have seen a specialist artisan class arise and thrive.
Lot less dead people
this ^^^^^^^^
the south would have been as prosperous as the north and all the things that go along with it.
equal playing field means less rich roibber barrans from the north controling everything and sucking up all the wealth
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:50 am to 777Tiger
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two completely different scenarios
I don't think you know what, "completely different" means.
Are we still talking about black labor in Mississippi before the Civil Rights era?
In the aftermath, the flood [of 1927] left an estimated 750,000 people without food and water, clothing, or work, and authorities were severely criticized for favouring the white population during rescue and relief operations. Thousands of plantation workers, most of them African Americans, had been forced to work, in deplorable conditions, shoring up the levees near Greenville, Mississippi. Then, as the waters rose, they were left stranded for days without food or drinking water, while white women and children were hauled to safety. African Americans gathered in relief camps also were forced to participate in relief efforts, while receiving inferior provisions for themselves, and to clean up flooded areas. At least one black man was shot, reportedly for refusing to work.
- Britannica
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:53 am to DJNOS1978
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It was like 150 years ago. Let it geaux bro
Let them dream. Idle minds lead to obesity.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:55 am to keakar
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the south would have been as prosperous as the north and all the things that go along with it. equal playing field means less rich roibber barrans from the north controling everything and sucking up all the wealth
Country was literally a slaved based agrarian society. Nothing equal playing about that at all!
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:57 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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In the aftermath, the flood [of 1927] left an estimated 750,000 people without food and water, clothing, or work, and authorities were severely criticized for favouring the white population during rescue and relief operations. Thousands of plantation workers, most of them African Americans, had been forced to work, in deplorable conditions, shoring up the levees near Greenville, Mississippi. Then, as the waters rose, they were left stranded for days without food or drinking water, while white women and children were hauled to safety.
African Americans gathered in relief camps also were forced to participate in relief efforts, while receiving inferior provisions for themselves, and to clean up flooded areas. At least one black man was shot, reportedly for refusing to work.
- Britannica
I appreciate this kind of "underground" history. That MS scenario and treatment of blacks at that time was not surprising at all.
This kind of overt favoritism was arguably a Race AND Class issue.
It should also be noted that there had been an existing "Caste System" in play in most of the US up till WW2.
FWIW, Italian immigrants and others new European immigrants were also treated like crap -- but IN THE NORTH.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:59 am to keakar
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the south would have been as prosperous as the north and all the things that go along with it.
It's political economy was dominated by a small group of planters. It wasn't going to change if they won the CW.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:00 pm to Liberator
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FWIW, Italian immigrants and others new European immigrants were also treated like crap -- but IN THE NORTH.
Are you attempting to make a comparison?
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