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Florida judge rejects 'stand your ground' claim of former federal prosecutor

Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:23 am
Posted by Street Hawk
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Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:23 am
Posted by TT9
Global warming
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Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:24 am to
Good on the judge!!!
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
39840 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:35 am to
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'stand your ground'


AKA, approach another vehicle, break out a guys window and stab the shite out of him for no apparent reason.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:37 am to
Yea that dude is screwed
Posted by Slevin7
Member since Sep 2015
2485 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:39 am to
You see your honor, the guy was passed out in his car and would not exit his car or turn his car off so I was afraid for my life and was forced to stab his car window out and then stab him some more to make sure that I was not attacked by this man refusing to get out of his car. It was terrifying.

What a psycho dumb shite
This post was edited on 5/30/25 at 11:40 am
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
14092 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:41 am to
Looks like he was standing the other guys ground.

Dude needs to go away for a long long time.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
12555 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:44 am to
That's murder, hoss.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
75140 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:45 am to
That is clearly just murder.

Jesus.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:50 am to
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Looks like he was standing the other guys ground.


He just straight up murdered that dude.

He needs to burn for it.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
66696 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:56 am to
How could a "prosecutor" be that damn stupid.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/30/25 at 11:57 am to
Goodness, that judge has got some jowls on him
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 5/30/25 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
104291 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 12:08 pm to
Yeah, once you're out of your car and you're the aggressor there then that kind of shoots the stand your ground defense to shite. He could've easily walked away from that.

If HE was in his own car and the guy approached/had him blocked in then it's a different story.

Here's the statute, him out of his own car and stabbing the guy right out of the gate violates this:

quote:

776.013 Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person who is in a dwelling or residence in which the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use or threaten to use:
(a) Nondeadly force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force; or
(b) Deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
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2) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using or threatening to use defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used or threatened was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses or threatens to use defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

(3) The presumption set forth in subsection (2) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used or threatened has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used or threatened; or
(c) The person who uses or threatens to use defensive force is engaged in a criminal activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further a criminal activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used or threatened is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using or threatening to use force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
History.—s. 1, ch. 2005-27; s. 4, ch. 2014-195; s. 1, ch. 2017-77.



Florida Stand Your Ground Statute
This post was edited on 5/30/25 at 12:11 pm
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
17069 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 12:10 pm to
So he breaks glass to get to victim inside victim's car, then prison shanks him 20 times, and says it's for self-defense?

This guy must have brain damage.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
16793 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 12:26 pm to
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Yea that dude is a fricking lunatic
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
102494 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 12:29 pm to
"passed out driver trying to leave the scene."
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53393 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 12:29 pm to
The victim could have pulled a gun and blown the guy away and it would have been justified under stand your ground.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
82854 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 12:38 pm to
Probably the first time a judge has ever ruled against him
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/30/25 at 12:45 pm to
That is fricking crazy. How do you get to that point?
Posted by Jebadeb
Member since Oct 2017
5344 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 1:33 pm to
I would be embarassed as a criminal defense attorney to make this argument in front of my peers, judges, media, etc.
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