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re: Five years later, Colorado sees toll of pot legalization
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Utah has a lot of resources for homeless. If you build it, they will come.
Which Denver is doing.
Colorado has a "Homeless Bill of Rights" that lawmakers are trying to pass. They have a TON of advocacy groups that are gaining power and popularity every day.
It is becoming a good spot for homeless to move, much like Utah and Oregon.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 12:03 pm
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:00 pm to slackster
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Nah, it's just a symptom of being the first mover. I've got little doubt that legalization is the culprit, but it's a problem that would disappear if it was legal everywhere.
But again, why is the homeless rate in the surrounding Western states, where weed wasn't legal during the same period of Colorado's legalization, much greater than Colorado's? Colorado has a rate of 197 per 100,000, Nevada has a rate of 266 per 100,000, Oregon has a rate of 341 per 100,000, and California has a rate of 342 per 100,000.
Why isn't the 9 percent growth that Colorado experienced not the cause of an 8 percent (from what I can tell) increase in the homeless rate?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Utah has a lot of resources for homeless. If you build it, they will come.
My apologies. I looked at the map wrong. It is Nevada that has a homeless rate of 266 per 100,000.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:02 pm to hawgfaninc
How many of y'all are high when reading this?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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It is Nevada that has a homeless rate of 266 per 100,000.
Well, I think that's self explanatory.
We've got a shitload of homeless here. Villages ship them here when they become a problem
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Well, I think that's self explanatory.
Yeah Las Vegas skews the rate. But weed has only been legal in Nevada since 2017. My point here is that marijuana legalization alone isn't sufficient enough to explain why an area has more homeless. Finding hard numbers is difficult for some reason, but I think the rate of increase in the homeless population, which I think has been 8 percent since legalization, is closely tied to the increase in population, which I think is 9 percent if I'm doing my math right. I might not be though.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:08 pm to slackster
I'm just curious to what point weed shows up on a pee drug test?
With that said I'm self employed so I don't really give a crap if i failed one or passed, but just for arguments sake.....
Let's say I've not smoked pot since Christmas or New Year's and I want to smoke a couple hits out of dugout at a parade tommorow or tonight.
At what point does that register on a test should you take one?
A week later?
A month?
Would that little amount even show up at all? Does it have to build up in your body? Is there a certain level tests are looking for?
Assuming testee is a normal sized person.
I'm just curious how it works.
With that said I'm self employed so I don't really give a crap if i failed one or passed, but just for arguments sake.....
Let's say I've not smoked pot since Christmas or New Year's and I want to smoke a couple hits out of dugout at a parade tommorow or tonight.
At what point does that register on a test should you take one?
A week later?
A month?
Would that little amount even show up at all? Does it have to build up in your body? Is there a certain level tests are looking for?
Assuming testee is a normal sized person.
I'm just curious how it works.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:08 pm to Cosmo
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Most OTers think there are no consequences whatsoever to legalization.
No, most of us recognize that the consequences of legalization pale beside the drastic changes to the social contract that have been brought about by your war on drugs.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:10 pm to hawgfaninc
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Visitors to Colorado remark about a new agricultural smell, the wafting odor of pot as they drive near warehouse grow operations along Denver freeways.
Drive by the chicken farms in North Georgia. Pot smells a lot better than a fricking chicken house.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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but I think the rate of increase in the homeless population, which I think has been 8 percent since legalization, is closely tied to the increase in population, which I think is 9 percent if I'm doing my math right. I might not be though.
And the homeless advocacy websites I'm reading regarding Denver specifically attribute it to a sharp rise in housing costs and a drop in supply of affordable, rent controlled housing.
Both are things that happen to cities with growing economies.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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My point here is that marijuana legalization alone isn't sufficient enough to explain why an area has more homeless.
I can ubnderstand the first few states to legalize getting a bump in homelessness from new arrivals
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:11 pm to p&g
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Let's say I've not smoked pot since Christmas or New Year's and I want to smoke a couple hits out of dugout at a parade tommorow or tonight.
At what point does that register on a test should you take one?
A week later?
A month?
Would that little amount even show up at all? Does it have to build up in your body? Is there a certain level tests are looking for?
Assuming testee is a normal sized person.
Will register within a few hours and probably show up for a couple weeks, give or take a few days depending on body weight, physical fitness, and hydration.
I have some experience in this area
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Habitual, constant users with a high fat content in their bodies, that don't hydrate or exercise enough can be "dirty" for up to 6-8 weeks.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:13 pm to TheCaterpillar
If someone hasn't smoked in six weeks, a few hits won't show up for more than a few days on a standard test
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:13 pm to crazy4lsu
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But again, why is the homeless rate in the surrounding Western states, where weed wasn't legal during the same period of Colorado's legalization, much greater than Colorado's? Colorado has a rate of 197 per 100,000, Nevada has a rate of 266 per 100,000, Oregon has a rate of 341 per 100,000, and California has a rate of 342 per 100,000.
From 2013 to 2017, the homeless population of Colorado increased by 12% while the homeless population of every state that borders it fell during that period.
Again, attributing this problem to legalization isn't really a valid point if it was legal everywhere.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:14 pm to crazy4lsu
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Which doesn't make sense, as Nevada, California, and Oregon have higher rates of homelessness, despite it still being recently legal in Nevada, recently legal in California, and legal since 2014 in Oregon. I won't deny that homeless might migrate to Denver because metropolitan areas might have more services available to the homeless, but suggesting marijuana as solely a cause for that homelessness is an odd suggestion
Complete agree.
I bet if you plot housing costs and cost of living vs # of homeless in Denver, you'd see a pretty damn strong correlation. SF would show a similar spike in the homeless numbers before weed being legalized there too.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:14 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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If someone hasn't smoked in six weeks, a few hits won't show up for more than a few days on a standard test
7 days in my experience, with good hydration, a little cardio, and a normal body size.
But those last 3 things are not the same with everyone.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It's possible that people self-migrate, but given that the homeless population increase commisterates so closely with the population growth, I'd suggest the self-migration is, at best, a supplementary cause, if that, given what a population increase does to housing prices. Those prices are more closely linked to homeless populations. I mean, in LA in 2010, the homeless population jumped by 26 percent due to housing prices alone. Combine that with an opioid epidemic, that spells an increase for homelessness nationwide.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:16 pm to hawgfaninc
Yeah - as long as their are specific stoner zones, stoner will flock to those zones and do stoner things that annoy non- stoners . Having lived a decade in a stoner part of Colorado I can say that this is a decades- old tension that will continue to grow.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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It's possible that people self-migrate, but given that the homeless population increase commisterates so closely with the population growth, I'd suggest the self-migration is, at best, a supplementary cause, if that, given what a population increase does to housing prices. Those prices are more closely linked to homeless populations. I mean, in LA in 2010, the homeless population jumped by 26 percent due to housing prices alone. Combine that with an opioid epidemic, that spells an increase for homelessness nationwide.
Nashville homeless is sky rocketing because the housing is getting so expensive due to increasing population and a booming economy.
Weed is still very much illegal here.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:19 pm to slackster
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From 2013 to 2017, the homeless population of Colorado increased by 12% while the homeless population of every state that borders it fell during that period.
The numbers I looked at said it was an 8 percent increase, but regardless, during that same time span, Colorado's population increased from 5.17 to 5.68 million, and that population increase would be a more primary cause of an increase in homelessness, as that puts pressure on both infrastructure (which could account for an increase in traffic related deaths) and housing prices. I'm just very skeptical of any claim that marijuana legalization alone was responsible for the increase in homelessness when there are demonstrable increases in population and housing prices during the same period.
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