re: Firing people

well, considering i was never told either way, then that is certainly on me to have asked - this was also many, many years ago - i can readily admit now i was in the wrong, and certainly would not handle it that way now - maturity has certainly set in.

if given the opportunity again, i would admittedly handle it completely different.

People fire themselves, if they worth a shite they will be kept around. What's hard is laying people off, especially when you get into the 2nd and 3rd round and you laying off or getting laid off by people that you have been working with for 10-15 years..... thats tough. Great guys who know their job and do great work, just no work for them to do. This happened several times at my last job. I was there for 18 years and got let go, my boss was shook pretty bad when he had to tell me.

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Firing people

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never fun. But the two I let go were terrible employees

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Successful Mom and Pop operation that is being handed down to silver spoon kids

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This is why I do my homework on ownership before taking a job. No way I’d be working for a silver spoon handy down company. It’ll be bankrupt within 5 years, watch.

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Their greed makes them self centered and willing to step on anyone else for financial gain,

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Thats why I started slacking off once I hit $950K a year. frick those greedy bitches.

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Management’s position is that if they’ll leave our shop “messy” they’ll do it at a customer’s site (we are commercial and industrial construction fwiw).

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If that's truly all there is to the story, then the management is retarded and I'd be looking for somewhere else to work.

Only a matter of time before you do something that might put you in the cross hairs. I prefer to avoid petty people like that at all costs.

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Worst is when you're fired by a boss that doesn't do shite all day, yet makes 2x what you do, when you do 50x as much work as him and messed up on 1 in 500 things you do. They should be the ones getting canned. Vast majority of actual work done at corporate jobs is done by those who are 22-40.

Management just takes that work and makes decisions, but it's not like the 33 year old who actually did the work and made that excel model couldn't have easily came to the same conclusion since he actually did the model.

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Something is not adding up here. First of all, your boss has different work to get done than you do. But if you are really producing 50x more value than he is, then firing you would be a very stupid move on his part.

It is easy to overvalue your work. I know, because I have made that mistake myself. Almost everyone is replaceable.

I’ve fired a few people mostly for not showing up so they really fired themselves. About 10 years ago I was going to fire this young mother of three who had a terrible attitude but didn’t because it was right before Christmas. She is still with me, attitude changed, but it does reappear sometimes, lol.