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re: Firefighters suspended for transporting toddler instead of waiting for ambulance
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:21 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:21 pm to Chad504boy
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with those type of rules in place what's the point of the fire department responding to these type of calls?
fireman generally have a quicker response time and are all trained as EMS nowadays
their job is to keep the person alive till the transportation arrives
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:21 pm to SabiDojo
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Chad, I don't know if I've ever told you, but you're a very intelligent guy.
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i mean, its a medical emergency at a mcdonalds, there's no point of a fleet of fire department vehicles if there's little jurisdiction for them to actually do something beneficial for the patient.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:21 pm to Chad504boy
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with those type of rules in place what's the point of the fire department responding to these type of calls?
So they can show up and say "I'd love to help save your kid but we have to wait for the ambulance to arrive. They should be here in 15 minutes or so."
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:22 pm to Chad504boy
I was being sincere. Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:22 pm to terd ferguson
let alone an ambulance trying to get past a mcdonalds parking lot loaded with fire department vehicles.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:22 pm to terd ferguson
quote:Cool, thanks for that.
Kelley said he thought it might be at least 10 minutes before anyone else arrived, so he chose to take the girl to the hospital himself. While driving there, Kelley said he asked for the location of the nearest ambulance twice, but never got a straight answer.
Then yea, I can't see how he did anything wrong here. Rules/laws should not be followed to the letter of the law, there should always be wiggle room for situations like this. Investigate the situation, if he did wrong, he should have consequences. If he did right, which it seems as though he did, he should be commended for making the correct call.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:23 pm to SabiDojo
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I didn't know that about the naval hierarchy.
Not naval hierarchy... submarine hierarchy. The surface fleet are a bunch of dumbass fricktards like the people that decided to suspend these firefighters. That's why we are better than them.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:25 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Rules are rules
And in Nazi Germany, being Jewish was against the rules. Sorry kikes, hook noses, and Red Sea pedestrians. Rules are rules.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:26 pm to terd ferguson
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Not naval hierarchy... submarine hierarchy. The surface fleet are a bunch of dumbass fricktards like the people that decided to suspend these firefighters. That's why we are better than them.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:26 pm to shel311
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Rules/laws should not be followed to the letter of the law, there should always be wiggle room for situations like this.
And this guy was a captain with 20 years of experience. Not every call is going to be the same and there should be room for the responders to make judgement calls. This captain made a judgement call from the scene based on the information at hand... and it proved to be the correct call.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:28 pm to Darth_Vader
Child had airway compromise as shown by her turning blue. So instead of giving rescue breaths until EMS arrives so then they can secure airway and give her Ativan for the seizure, he loades her in truck and leaves. While in the truck no one is supplying ventilation support other than passive O2 and running the risk causing more harm and possibly having another seizure.
He could have stayed on scene and given her O2 like he did and waited 5minutes for EMS.
It worked out in the end but could have EASILY gone the other way.
Glad she's alright.
He could have stayed on scene and given her O2 like he did and waited 5minutes for EMS.
It worked out in the end but could have EASILY gone the other way.
Glad she's alright.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:29 pm to Big Block Stingray
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:31 pm to terd ferguson
Yeah I'd rather be suspended than have to explain to the parents that I sat there as their child died because of "the rules".
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:31 pm to Darth_Vader
I just find it amusing and troubling how we can bend laws/rules (or ignore them altogether in some cases) but when it comes to shite like this, it is zero tolerance. Such bullshite. Hats off to this man.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:32 pm to Darth_Vader
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This guy saved a child's life and this is how the county thanks him.
Good for him.... He did the right thing. I praise him as a hero...
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:34 pm to Big Block Stingray
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He could have stayed on scene and given her O2 like he did and waited 5minutes for EMS.
Only they had no idea where the damn ambulance was. How do you know it would have been 5 minutes? You don't.
FTR it was 13 minutes from the time they loaded her at the scene until she was laying on the table at the hospital. It could have taken 13 minutes for the ambulance to arrive.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:34 pm to Chad504boy
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i mean, its a medical emergency at a mcdonalds, there's no point of a fleet of fire department vehicles if there's little jurisdiction for them to actually do something beneficial for the patient.
In areas that have full time fire fighters they usually also trained as EMTs and can immediately provide care if they arrive first. They also usually respond with EMS to every EMS call because even at McDonalds there are endless situations where the paramedics themselves cannot physically remove the person without help. For example a 350Lb man that has had a heart attack in the restroom. same with responding to EMS calls at a private residence, the person may be incapacitate and all the house doors are looked, or again they just weigh a ton and are on the second floor, car wrecks for obvious reasons.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:35 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:That's all that matters
“I feel comfortable with the decision,” Kelley said Sunday.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:35 pm to SabiDojo
I'm pretty sure the fireman knew what was up. He chose to save the child's life regardless of the rules. It's a call I would have made also. I would take the suspension and save the lofe
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:37 pm to Big Block Stingray
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Child had airway compromise as shown by her turning blue. So instead of giving rescue breaths until EMS arrives so then they can secure airway and give her Ativan for the seizure, he loades her in truck and leaves. While in the truck no one is supplying ventilation support other than passive O2 and running the risk causing more harm and possibly having another seizure
This is my only problem. She needed oxygen
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