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re: Few TOPS recipients enrolled in associate degree programs needed for high paying jobs

Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:01 pm to
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Is that north or south of I-30.

Context bud.


It's all of Dallas. Stop being the typical OT douche. Or keep going, I don't really care,
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:04 pm to
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No offense to the other person but 40-50k isn't high paying in today's economy.




Louisiana median household income in 2010 was ~$44k. A single person making 40-50k is, by definition, bringing in more income than half of the households in this state. That's nothing to scoff at.

This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 3:13 pm
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43447 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:07 pm to
lol someone’s jimmies are rustled.

40k here alone you are living close to or in the ghetto.

But use your little study as evidence. All good with me.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78359 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:08 pm to
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Outside of IT, I challenge you to find me a job at any Telecom, Power Systems, or Semi-Conductor company that doesn't require a 4 year.



I worked with a Telecom company and didn't have a 4 year. Only one of our RF engineers held a degree; and it wasn't an EE.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:08 pm to
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lol someone’s jimmies are rustled.


I don't get rustled by Pecker's slow little brother trying to big league people on the OT.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43447 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:09 pm to
You trying to tell me y’all having a hard time finding jobs for 19.50/hr???


Damn...
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:09 pm to
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Sounds like he just wants to gut the program and send everyone to Community College rather than 4-year University. I've never heard of a "well paying" job that prefers an associates to a bachelors.


The key is, JOBS IN LOUISIANA.

A person with a 2 year AA degree in instrument tech is going to have a higher paying job in LA than a person with a 4 year BS degree in women's studies.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43447 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:10 pm to
Which company?

I believe you. We have two contractors in our lab right now.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41011 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:10 pm to
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Last time they tried to fool with it, Taylor’s widow told them “hands off” or she would pull all the money and the hacks could answer to their voters. That scared the shite out of them.


Come on, man.

She said the intent of the program was to help lower-income individuals. It's not her money to "pull". It's now all funded with tax dollars.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43447 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:11 pm to
Lol man why you gotta bring my boy Pecker into this? You still mad about the mini van comment?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:11 pm to
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So the point is that they're getting too much education?


I think the point would be students become stagnant at 4 year universities. Only 61% of students receiving TOPS graduate from a 4 year school within 6 years. Many of those that take too long and/or don't finish altogether could have received an associates degree.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:13 pm to
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Sounds like he just wants to gut the program and send everyone to Community College rather than 4-year University. I've never heard of a "well paying" job that prefers an associates to a bachelors.


"Well paying" =/= OT Baller

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The median wage in the US per person is $26,695. ...66 percent of Americans earn less than $41,212.
LINK

So if you make $42k you are in the top 1/3 of wage earners. That should qualify as "well paying".

The 4 year college degree has been oversold in this country. Not everyone is getting the technical skills degrees that lead to high end jobs. Many of these people getting the less economically attractive 4 year degrees could probably do better financially with some of the more technical skills 2 year degrees. But people go to 4 year colleges because that's what they've been told they should do after high school to get a good job.

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Following are 25 of the best paying jobs you can find that only require an associate’s degree level of education. All of these jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, pay an average of at least $45,000 annually and some over $70,000 annually.

LINK

Compare that with this article pointing out the 31 worst paying 4 year degrees. Most start out in the mid $30k's and show mid career earnings in the $40k-$60k range. LINK

Sure you can find studies that tell you the average person with a 4 year degree earns $X more in their lifetime vs. a 2 year degree, but when you look at specifics and consider things like lower college costs and earning money 2 years earlier, the best 2 year degrees would definitely be better than the worst 4 year degrees for many people.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78359 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:15 pm to
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You trying to tell me y’all having a hard time finding jobs for 19.50/hr???


Damn...


Calm down, Texas isn't that far ahead
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78359 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:23 pm to
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Sure you can find studies that tell you the average person with a 4 year degree earns $X more in their lifetime vs. a 2 year degree,


Also have remove the outliers when making these kinds of assessments.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11817 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:26 pm to
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40-50k would be considered poor in Dallas.


Why should people concerned about TOPS be concerned about Dallas?
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:31 pm to
When they say well paying being 40-50K they are talking about starting pay, not lifetime median earnings. There will be no shortage of new grads with 4 year degrees that would love to have any type job paying 40-50K.
Besides plant and instrumentation jobs, there are many large corporations that hire those with technical A.S. degrees for Field tech, and support positions, GE. Siemens, Philips, Hitachi, AT&T, Tessco all have tons of employees with A.S. degrees. In the research and manufacturing facilities of these companies there are probably 10-15 techs for every one 4 year degreed engineer.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:44 pm to
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Outside of IT, I challenge you to find me a job at any Telecom, Power Systems, or Semi-Conductor company that doesn't require a 4 year.



I worked as a Network Engineer I for a CLEC, Network Eng II at Worldcom, and Senior NOC Technician for another CLEC all before I started my undergrad. I worked in a center that investigated customer trouble tickets. My work would range from changing settings in the city phone switches to testing T1's and calling out a local repair if needed.

This was back in 2000 - 2004. My average salary was $60K

I will say that my career hit a glass ceiling due to the fact I did not have a degree.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 3:46 pm
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