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Feds Bust CEO Allegedly Selling Custom BlackBerry Phones to Sinaloa Drug Cartel

Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:34 am
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
25929 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:34 am
Motherboard: Phantom Secure is one of the most infamous companies in the secure phone industry. Sources and court documents detail that its owner has been arrested for allegedly helping criminal organizations.

For years, a slew of shadowy companies have sold so-called encrypted phones, custom BlackBerry or Android devices that sometimes have the camera and microphone removed and only send secure messages through private networks. Several of those firms allegedly cater primarily for criminal organizations.

Now, the FBI has arrested the owner of one of the most established companies, Phantom Secure, as part of a complex law enforcement operation, according to court records and sources familiar with the matter.

The heavily redacted complaint, written by FBI Special Agent Nicholas Cheviron, alleges that even members of the notorious Sinaloa drug cartel used Phantom’s devices, and that the “upper echelon members” of transnational criminal groups have bought Phantom phones.

A second source also familiar with the secure phone industry told Motherboard that the devices have been sold in Mexico, Cuba, and Venezuela, as well as to the Hells Angels gang. Cheviron estimates that 20,000 Phantom devices are in use worldwide, with around half of those in Australia; bringing in tens of millions of dollars of revenue to Phantom.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
34990 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:36 am to
So now drug lords can't use cell phones? What about freedom of speech?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98133 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:38 am to
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the Hells Angels gang. 


NB4 Darth.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:39 am to
I don't know why, but I feel like it should not be illegal to sell encrypted cell phones, regardless of who your clientele is.

Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:39 am to
Under Trump's new plan, which I kind of lean toward, would we give these scum bags the death penalty too? We should at least start giving them a mandatory of 30 years imo
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:40 am to
It shouldn't be illegal to sell tunnel building equipment and submarine making materials to the cartels either.

Posted by stillplayswithcars
Member since Jan 2018
183 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:45 am to
There's a bit more to it than that.

The complaint sounds more RICO in nature.

Phantom has some problems.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38405 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:47 am to
#NotMyFBI
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35953 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:34 am to
Criminalizing privacy is what this sounds like. I'd bet there are a lot of people who use these same services for non-criminal reasons, be they politicians or celebrities.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134843 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:37 am to
puedes escucharme ahora?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90498 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 12:26 pm to
How can they know who are actually ordering the phones? If it's not illegal to make these phones then they don't have anymore a case against them than if they tried to improson a burner phone manufacturer.

I didn't know these existed. Hell I'd love to have one and I'm not involved in any criminal organization. I just don't like the government collecting my phone records
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4707 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Criminalizing privacy is what this sounds like. I'd bet there are a lot of people who use these same services for non-criminal reasons, be they politicians or celebrities.


What celebrities do you know that want a phone that only has the ability to send text messages through a private network?

What would the benefit be for having such a specific device other than trying to hide what you're doing.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8495 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 12:54 pm to
Not sure what they will charge them with or what crime is being committed here.
Posted by hombreman9
USA
Member since Feb 2009
3781 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 1:02 pm to
Anyone else read this as Coach Ed Orgeron and get their hopes up?
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9407 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 1:07 pm to
So now hiding what you are doing is illegal? frick this country.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29032 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 1:11 pm to
ACLU is going to tear the FBI's arse up over this one.
Posted by stillplayswithcars
Member since Jan 2018
183 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

“We made it—we made it specifically for this [drug trafficking] too,” Ramos told undercover agents, according to a transcript included in the complaint.
Posted by Roman Candle Tag
Member since Mar 2016
1450 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

SCLibertarian ? ? on 3/12/18 at 11:34 am to MrLSU

Criminalizing privacy is what this sounds like. I'd bet there are a lot of people who use these same services for non-criminal reasons, be they politicians or celebrities.




Username checks out.

I agree, fwiw.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20869 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

What would the benefit be for having such a specific device other than trying to hide what you're doing.


To enjoy your right to privacy from anyone else.

People who think they have nothing to hide havent really thought it through.
Posted by BaylorTiger
Member since Nov 2006
2083 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 2:52 pm to
To all the constitutional scholars in this thread, this is illegal due to the patriot act and doing business with cartels, terrorists etc is prohibited under anti-money laundering laws, OFAC, etc
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