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re: Feds Bust CEO Allegedly Selling Custom BlackBerry Phones to Sinaloa Drug Cartel
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:01 pm to BaylorTiger
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:01 pm to BaylorTiger
Did anyone posting along those lines even read the complaint?
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:31 pm to TheCaterpillar
There was a time when it illegal for any U.S. company to export any cryptographic software, technology, or devices.
Most of those restrictions have gone away, but I think there are still some limits to what can be sold to rogue nations or terrorist groups. Maybe that is the basis or at least a justification for the charge?
Most of those restrictions have gone away, but I think there are still some limits to what can be sold to rogue nations or terrorist groups. Maybe that is the basis or at least a justification for the charge?
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:47 pm to stelly1025
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Not sure what they will charge them with or what crime is being committed here.
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charges Vincent Ramos, the founder and CEO of Canada-based Phantom, with racketeering conspiracy to conduct enterprise affairs, as well as conspiracy to distribute narcotics, and aiding and abetting. Authorities arrested Ramos on Thursday, according to the court docket. Crucially, the complaint alleges that Ramos and Phantom were not simply incidental to a crime, like Apple might be when a criminal uses an iPhone, but that the company was specifically created to facilitate criminal activity.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:55 pm to MrLSU
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with around half of those in Australia
Id like to know more about this.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:57 pm to stillplayswithcars
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“We made it—we made it specifically for this [drug trafficking] too,” Ramos told undercover agents, according to a transcript included in the complaint.
Not against the law.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:59 pm to jbgleason
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charges Vincent Ramos, the founder and CEO of Canada-based Phantom, with racketeering conspiracy to conduct enterprise affairs, as well as conspiracy to distribute narcotics, and aiding and abetting. Authorities arrested Ramos on Thursday, according to the court docket. Crucially, the complaint alleges that Ramos and Phantom were not simply incidental to a crime, like Apple might be when a criminal uses an iPhone, but that the company was specifically created to facilitate criminal activity.
Still not against the law what they did.
They built and sold custom phones to a customer, which is not illegal. They didn't use the phones for breaking the law, their customer did.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:14 pm to TheCaterpillar
He was a knowing party to a criminal enterprise.
Apple sells phones every day to criminals, but they aren't knowingly part of the criminal enterprise.
This is along the lines of straw purchase of guns, when the seller absolutely knows the gun will be used illegally. In addition, it would be as if the buyer returned the gun to the seller after he did the criminal act and asked the seller to file off the serial number.
This has almost nothing to do with privacy.
Apple sells phones every day to criminals, but they aren't knowingly part of the criminal enterprise.
This is along the lines of straw purchase of guns, when the seller absolutely knows the gun will be used illegally. In addition, it would be as if the buyer returned the gun to the seller after he did the criminal act and asked the seller to file off the serial number.
This has almost nothing to do with privacy.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:16 pm to stillplayswithcars
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He was a knowing party to a criminal enterprise.
If I sell a car legally to a mafia boss and know that he will use that car to conduct business, but I don't know any details of the business other than the car will be used, am I guilty of being a knowing party to a criminal enterprise?
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
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To enjoy your right to privacy from anyone else.
People who think they have nothing to hide havent really thought it through.
How is your normal phone not private? There was the big Fappening hack a few years ago, but it's convenient that the only people who get their phones hacked are wanna be starlets who get cooter shots "leaked" to the world. If you have a passcode on your phone and decent password on your other accounts, you shouldn't really have much to worry about.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:26 pm to MLCLyons
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How is your normal phone not private? There was the big Fappening hack a few years ago, but it's convenient that the only people who get their phones hacked are wanna be starlets who get cooter shots "leaked" to the world. If you have a passcode on your phone and decent password on your other accounts, you shouldn't really have much to worry about.
Dawg, your phone is constantly listening to you and recording you. It is also recording your locations and movements at all times. The government, with proper warrants, can get all of that. They can “hot mic” your phone and turn it into a wire tap.
They can also look at your phone records and triangulate your whereabouts at any given time using cell towers. They can get warrants to look at all your calls and read all of your text messages.
And everything the government can do, hackers can do without warrants any time they want.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:35 pm to MLCLyons
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What would the benefit be for having such a specific device other than trying to hide what you're doing.
Maybe I'm planning a surprise party. Or maybe I don't benefit at all and it's none of your damn business.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:41 pm to TheCaterpillar
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If I sell a car legally to a mafia boss and know that he will use that car to conduct business, but I don't know any details of the business other than the car will be used, am I guilty of being a knowing party to a criminal enterprise?
Not really apples to apples (haha) to this deal...
If you specifically build a car to be used by a criminal enterprise and then sell it to a criminal and he uses it for criminal activity, then yes, you've got problems. RICO.
I also recommend that you don't go tape saying that exact thing.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:59 pm to stillplayswithcars
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Not against the law.
Patriot Act changed this. Google OFAC.
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