re: FDA approval for Pfizer vaccine expected to happen Monday per New York Times

I know this, if you were a kid in the hospital with a ruptured appendix and you tested positive for Covid you'd be a Covid patient, even if you didn't know you had it. It's ridiculous.

Fair enough. It's been a whole lot of meh for us. Hope your family does ok.

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So Covid is the fall guy?

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It absolutely is

You’re a smart dude. Encourage the jab. Let’s get back to normal

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Ok, let's try. Vaccine efficacy is not and cannot be measured at the individual level, a person either gets sick or they don't. It can only be measured among a population, vaccinated vs. control, and the results help to determine by how much risk of getting sick was reduced. Some vaccinated get sick, and some unvaccinated don't. It takes more people to determine risk. Got it so far?

In the case of your parents, good on you for convincing them. Now you, as their child who is presumably in their presence on occasion, need to recognize that YOU influence their risk as much as the vaccine does. If YOU are vaccinated and reduce your own risk of getting sick, or reduce the severity of your own illness, or reduce the duration of your own contagiousness, then you will be reducing your parents' risk of contracting it from you. Same goes for anyone else that they interact with.

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My risk is already at almost zero. Now that they are vaccinated, my parents' risk is almost at zero. The vaccine definitely influences their outcomes much more than me not being vaccinated. The only way it goes all the way to zero is if we lock ourselves up in our homes and refuse to interact with people. You are fine to do that but that's not something we are interested in. By and large, the only person that is affecting is myself. I think we are all good with taking our chances. I appreciate you finally coming with a sensible argument and not melodramatic bullshite though. Keep it up and I'm sure you can actually convince some people with that good attitude.

Zantac was just recently found to cause cancer through NDMA in it. We don't know the long term effects of this type of vaccine. Covid doesn't cause long term effects in any sane person who isn't hospitalized. I will take my chances on natural immunity.

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No consistent patterns were found regarding the presentation of the tinnitus or additional factors that could have tinnitus developing in the disease impact studies. For the pandemic impact studies, the associated stress and anxiety of the pandemic were consistently suggested to contribute to tinnitus experiences

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Here is very good study saying that isn't true. Also did he specifically say that in his suicide note? Or maybe it was losing a huge portion of his wealth?

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People lie all the time when someone commits suicide, it is really common. also misinformation is common for covid. I linked a scientific study, and if you could read you would know what psychosomatic means.

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Zantac was just recently found to cause cancer through NDMA in it. We don't know the long term effects of this type of vaccine

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Zantac is a remarkably poor analog considering it took significant amounts of long-term exposure to cause cancer. There are very few chemicals that can cause cancer in single or low-frequency exposure in adults and NDMA is not one of them. Nitrosamines require long term exposure to fairly high doses.

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Covid doesn't cause long term effects in any sane person who isn't hospitalized.

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This isn't the case but it is relatively rare however I think it may be more common than fully known (I'll get to that later).

My wife is a competitive cyclist. Last year she contracted COVID probably on a COVID unit consult. We both have ride data files going back for years. Her cause was mild, symptomatic for about 24hrs, and no need for any medication except Tylenol. She was back on the bike 4 days later, a little off but nothing concerning considering it is respiratory and she had a cough. 3 weeks later she was still off her game and we did our monthly FTP (functional threshold power) test. She was 20% lower than the previous month. Having watched her over the years and even a week-long cold might cause a 10% drop weeks later at most even with more time off the bike.

You can't cheat an FTP test if you know how to read the data. It is an almost purely objective number as long as the effort is correct and if it isn't you can see it in the data. She has since trained harder than she has while we have been together often doing some of my masochistic programs like Russian intervals that she normally does not do. It took essentially a year to get back to her previous fitness level where maybe a 15% drop in FTP by the end of winter would take 6-8 weeks to get back to racing form maybe 3-4 more weeks for a full 20% loss which I have never seen from her before. Only being a short time since getting back to her normal fitness level we have no idea if she can maintain this level with her pre-COVID program or if she will have to continue at a higher level to maintain it in the future. It may be damage that can and has been reversed and it also may not be reversabile.

The reason I say it may be more prevalent than researchers and clinicians think is the average person is very unlikely to notice a 20% drop in FTP. They simply don't put out those types of efforts and certainly don't collect data on long sustained efforts like an FTP test requires. This loss would not have been noticeable in my wife's case if she had just lived her normal life outside training. While some athletes have been diagnosed with mild cases most Long COVID diagnoses have been from cases significant enough to impact a person's life outside of strenuous exercise.

TLDR Long COVID is real and I have seen the objective data to support it in my own household. That being said I do think it is relatively rare but I think it well may be less rare than currently thought. I also think this alone should not be a major factor in the cost-benefit matrix for most individuals but I also don't think some amorphous idea of the possible effects from the vaccine popping up in 20 years should be either.


I don't care if an individual gets or doesn't get a vaccine except in pretty limited scenarios and feel the same way about mandates ie only in limited situations like hospital settings and staff in congregate care facilities.