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re: FBI officially Investigating California shooting as a act of terrorism
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:55 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:55 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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The only thing I worry about is that they're going to ban assault rifles. You can bet your arse if Hillary is elected, they are going to.
The guns used weren't "assault rifles", which are by definition full auto. This is a common media misuse of the term.
However, I agree with your sentiment they will demonize the black rifle and all it's variants regardless of their mode of operation in an effort to increase gun control.
For the record the shooters had a DPMS AR15 and a S&W M&P15. Both are legal to buy in CA. Their 30 round magazines, however, were illegal in CA.
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:57 am to slackster
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As embarrassing as CNN has been with their refusal to acknowledge any terrorism angle, I'm a bit perplexed at how workplace violence and terrorism have become mutually exclusive.
This is not true at all. I have been flipping back and forth between Fox, CNN and NPR on tv and xm. Cnn has said many times terrorism hasn't been ruled out.
As much as people say the "liberal media" is pushing a narrative or agenda it seems to me that you guys are pushing this extreme liberal media angle more than anything.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:57 am to AndyCBR
quote:Wait, you mean to tell me that murderers were so bold as to break the law?
For the record the shooters had a DPMS AR15 and a S&W M&P15. Both are legal to buy in CA. Their 30 round magazines, however, were illegal in CA.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:57 am to Ace Midnight
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What is the legal/logical reason for requiring background checks for these transactions?
I don't know, hence the question. I appreciate your explanation.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:58 am to goldenbadger08
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Headline on MSNBC calls it "Righteous Indignation"
Last night the mayor of San Bernadino said he was "upset that these individuals felt the need to express themselves in such a violent manner". That's the most mealy-mouthed response to murder I've ever heard.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:58 am to AndyCBR
Can I get some cliffs on possible motive?
Is it only the 2 people?
Is it only the 2 people?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:59 am to upgrayedd
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Eh, she'll try but the only way she'll pass anything is if it's some milquetoast piece of legislation that puts restrictions on future manufacturing. It likely wouldn't address current gun owners.
Her husband's "Federal Assault weapons ban" comes to mind.
Meaningless legislation that did nothing to prevent crime.
It was bad law then, any variant would be bad law now.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:59 am to Festus
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:00 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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Can I get some cliffs on possible motive?
Is it only the 2 people?
No motive released yet but it was obviously premeditated and planned.
So far only 2 people so far but reports from neighbors saying many people coming and going over the past week or so.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:00 am to Festus
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I would be interested in seeing the metrics used for that study.
If this helps:
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Try this one
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It’s disheartening to see the FBI used to promote a political agenda, but that’s what we got with the bureau’s release last month of a study claiming to show a sharp rise in mass shootings,
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It’s hard to see how the FBI can count these incidents, which make up 42 percent of its 160 cases, as “mass killings.” They plainly don’t fit the FBI’s old definition, which required four or more murders, nor even its new one of at least three murders.
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Of the 160 cases it counted, 32 involved a gun being fired without anyone being killed. Another 35 cases involved a single murder.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:01 am to UpToPar
quote:I mean anyone who isn't a public employee.
Define "private citizen." It does if you are employed by the state (including public schools, etc.)
I think I see where you're going with this, so I'll just leave this here since I have no interest in getting involved in a parallel discussion of the first amendment in a thread about a mass shooting:
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:02 am to The Sad Banana
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Wait, you mean to tell me that murderers were so bold as to break the law?
What are the odds the media reminds its viewers that this was the case? They will only say the guns themselves were legally purchased. I did a
when I heard that this morning on NPR.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:04 am to Large Farva
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I watched CNN for about 10 minutes this morning and I heard the news anchor change the conversation back to gun control.
CNN isn't even trying to be responsible.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:05 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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REALLY. So loony whites don't carry out shootings on innocent people? Never happens.
I didn't say it wasn't possible. I said I would have been surprised. Im not so PC that I cant admit to stereotypes. A report of multiple gunmen going into a place and shooting up a bunch of innocent people screams Muslim terrorist to me. That would be the least surprising. To hear some white guys do it would be less likely in my mind so that would be more surprising.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:05 am to AndyCBR
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Her husband's "Federal Assault weapons ban" comes to mind.
Meaningless legislation that did nothing to prevent crime.
It was bad law then, any variant would be bad law now.
That's exactly what she'll go for too. Something that will appease the left without having a riot on her hands.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:06 am to Ace Midnight
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Outside of Kleibold and Harris - name an incident where there was more than 1 crazy white person in a spree shooting
Just off the top of my head: LINK. Arkansas middle schoolers who killed 5. And last week: 3 arrested in shooting of BLM protesters
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:06 am to AndyCBR
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For the record the shooters had a DPMS AR15 and a S&W M&P15.
I'm assuming they were the California "non-ugly" variants, too?
Because you can't have folding stock, bayonet lug, or flash hider on those rifles.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:06 am to fouldeliverer
Only this morning is CNN saying they haven't ruled out terrorissm. Last night they weren't going there.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:08 am to Ace Midnight
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I'm assuming they were the California "non-ugly" variants, too?
Because you can't have folding stock, bayonet lug, or flash hider on those rifles.
Exactly, it's that bayonet lug that will get you every time...
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:08 am to upgrayedd
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That's exactly what she'll go for too.
There is no way an ugly gun ban can pass in the current legislative environment - I mean, that's when the house, more or less permanently went Republican (except for 2009-2011). It would draw opposition from dozens of Democrats in the House.
And it only cleared procedural hurdles by 1 vote in 1994.
So, she can try it, but I don't think it is an electoral winner.
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