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re: Father of Child Murdered at Sandy Hook Faces Death Threats

Posted on 1/16/16 at 6:59 pm to
Posted by inadaze
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 6:59 pm to
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People mis represents what macnamara said


Othello linked a clip of Robert McNamara speaking about the Gulf of Tonkin incident in LINK ]The Fog of War. That was not a misrepresentation.

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McNamara: It was just confusion, and events afterwards showed that our judgment that we'd been attacked that day was wrong. It didn't happen. And the judgment that we'd been attacked on August 2nd was right. We had been, although that was disputed at the time. So we were right once and wrong once. Ultimately, President Johnson authorized bombing in response to what he thought had been the second attack; it hadn't occurred but that's irrelevant to the point I'm making here. He authorized the attack on the assumption it had occurred, and his belief that it was a conscious decision on the part of the North Vietnamese political and military leaders to escalate the conflict and an indication they would not stop short of winning. We were wrong, but we had in our minds a mindset that led to that action. And it carried such heavy costs. We see incorrectly or we see only half of the story at times.


Two senators opposed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution -- Wayne Morse and Ernest Gruening.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:13 pm to
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. You say the murders absolutely happened but


Where? I said it happened, then later I described what I saw, looked into.

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town was a CIA shill town


I agree mostly, entire is a bold statement.


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So, who were the kids and families killed if they lived in the town? innocent families taken out by a CIA exercise


I don't know, I don't know anything beyond quotes and anecdotes from the scene. Do you know? I can tell you they are quoted as saying 26 folks were killed by 150+ rounds in less than 5 minutes. That's at least 6 clips from the AR-15.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:23 pm to
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Where?

LINK

You've been very cordial in our replies, so in no way am I just bashing you, but IMO you've done a poor job expressing what you think happened in regards to the CIA shill town, the murders, and what was being covered up by the government.

Pages later, and I'm still pretty much clueless on these things.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:24 pm to
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Morris: We see what we want to believe.
McNamara: You're absolutely right. Belief and seeing, they're both often wrong.


The end of your little clip is followed by this wisdom...of which my brothers are saying I'm foolish for subscribing to...
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:28 pm to
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but IMO you've done a poor job expressing what you think happened


I explained it here:

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I wasn't there, I know for certain on tv, I saw cops, a fire truck, a few students, some other people outside, some interviews, some very compelling and saddening stories and others that make you say wtf? I saw a chase, I saw a coroner's interview; I heard several official accounts, a few that conflicted, but we're cleared up later.

I know that airspace was cordoned for an exercise, covered by an AF RAPCON...
I know Americares was there prior to the event...
I know that the official story involves a kid on psychotropic drugs...

I don't presume to have faith in anything beyond that.


Posted by Mie2cents
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:28 pm to
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So our government has admitted the gulf of tonken incident never happened (Robert McNamara is on video admitting it, claims it was miscommunicatiin) and we went to war over that but you think they wouldn't fake killings to get what they want?

Yep. He's starting to post facts. But.... but... how do we know this really happened or was gonna happen? Our government will do whatever they want to do to keep the big money machine rolling. If killing innocents keeps it rolling, I'm sure they would entertain the thought.... again.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:32 pm to
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I explained it here:

I mentioned 3 or so specific things I was hoping for you to clarify, fwiw.

You ignored that part.
Posted by Grim
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:38 pm to
Maybe you should just keep your 2 cents to yourself
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:08 pm to
Info points (whether real or not) that lead me to a CIA presence are as follows:
Newtown had a uranium scare in early 2000s, EPA moved offices there to monitor the situation
Americares was there remodeling and updating random upper middle class homes
Roughly the same time the assessors website is updated, and everyone in sandy hook has a reset cost/date
A rabbi from out of town said the CIA operatives were there on the day of the shooting (in the firehouse)
Crisis actors were used (media actually uses them for a bunch of events)
The timestamps of memorial websites was jacked up (a couple days prior to the event)
A parallel exercise, Project Longevity was launched and paid for, with no exercise results posted.
Weird activities involving several members outside the school during the shooting, aka the two shadows

Other anomalies were occurring elsewhere as well:
Noah Pozners image was used in a foreign op shooting in Pakistan
A school shooting trainer, Halbig, said he believed it to be scripted based on the following:
quote:


law enforcement parked 1/4 mile away upon arrival. Why didn’t they rush to a heart-wrenching emergency if it really occurred?
no trauma helicopters were ordered. This is unheard of for an actual emergency.
no paramedics were allowed in the school. This is unheard of.
officials refuse to say who declared all 26 people dead. By law, this must come from a doctor. This refusal of so much basic information indicates lies and cover-ups.
official narrative claims emergency personnel didn’t find the school secretary and nurse after 4 hours of searching.
this “event” included a traffic sign lit with the message, “everyone must sign in.” Officials refuse any comment on this element that would be present for a staged event/drill.
porta potties were on site; again with no comment by officials and consistent with holding a staged event.
no names were listed for the 26 children and chorus director at the 2013 Super Bowl event in honor of Sandy Hook. The children resemble the alleged shooting victims. It’s unimaginable to not list these names for such a huge deal.
no lawsuits filed by parents for negligence against school district. This is unheard of.
a shooter with Aspergers would have poor motor skills and muscle tone – how did he carry all the gear and shoot with such precision? This combination is impossible to imagine.
2 homicide investigators threatened Mr. Halbig for making inquiries consistent with his professional duties to learn about this event for future school safety.
Newtown Public Schools won’t return any calls. Mr. Halbig says this non-cooperation to contribute information for other schools’ safety is unheard of.
the FBI classified the report on Sandy Hook. This has never been done before, and indicates a cover-up of all the evidence that this was a staged event.
radio transmissions are consistent in tone and content for a drill, not an actual emergency.
multiple weapons reported at a limited crime scene were never found. This is not credible.
law enforcement sent a kindergarten girl from the hall to stay at the crime scene of room 8 to be alone with dead bodies. This is a ridiculous claim that demands investigation and answers.
no parents viewed the bodies of their children. This is also unheard of.
no documents are being released via Freedom of Information Act requests. This is unheard of.
trauma services were never requested. This would never occur.
tearing down the school is consistent with destruction of evidence, given the HUGE gaps between official accounts and the evidence.
there’s zero evidence that a bio-hazard company was contacted to clean blood, bodily fluids, and officials refuse comment. This is impossible.
Mr. Halbig’s inquiries of who installed the school security system has been met with silence. This is unheard of to not get this information to improve other schools.

There are tons of other points, but you get the drift...

I don't agree with much ofit, but it muddied the water enough where I'm not staking a belief in the official story.

And I don't know why/how the CIA is involved, but they definitely have a presence there.

Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:42 pm to
No trauma helicopters were called because it was faster to transport by ambulance and there were relatively few injured who weren't dead.

There were paramedics in the school.

The whole narrative of Halbig has been roundly debunked. But you found it convincing because, quite simply, you want to believe a conspiracy theory (which you are still unwilling to elucidate).
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:50 pm to
I've read roundly debunking articles and they are typically a bunch of "well maybes" based on the situation.
Posted by IceTiger
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 9:52 pm to
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But you found it convincing because


I never said I've found it convincing, that's a leap in error....as I've stated the contrary

You are making presumptions about my points that do not exist.
Posted by Louisianimal83
Lithia Springs, GA
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 10:00 pm to
Just dropping in to say hello to the sheeple. Carry on.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/16/16 at 10:05 pm to
Cave dwellers can't melt steel beams
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/17/16 at 1:11 am to
quote:

I've read roundly debunking articles and they are typically a bunch of "well maybes" based on the situation.


The two points I just pointed out aren't "well maybe" points. There were paramedics in the school. And it was quicker to transport them by ambulance than helicopter. There's no "maybe" to that.
Posted by Ironhead985
Member since Jun 2013
10208 posts
Posted on 1/17/16 at 1:28 am to
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Count me in this group.



Me as well. When you really take a look at the situation as a whole, many, many things just don't add up. I, by no means, condone the harrassment. However, but the questioning of it is warranted.
Posted by IceTiger
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/17/16 at 10:00 am to
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There were paramedics in the school.


The crux of this point, I believe, was a when/what time...

Your statement is not roundly debunking. Roundly debunking is showing me video/time of police escorting paramedics/firefighters into the school within minutes of the building being cleared. It was a 10 minute event. How long after before paramedics went in?
What was the time table according to video...why don't the 911 call times and the videos line up, who was injured? 1 name has been dropped with conflicting reports on the location of her injuries, why were 3 people taken to the hospital with no official record of being there, but two were declared dead? Who were they as the named slain victims were all proclaimed dead by the police at the school...there are just so much anomalous stuff that doesn't add up.

Which is why I conclude to conclude nothing.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 1/17/16 at 10:19 am to
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why were 3 people taken to the hospital with no official record of being there, but two were declared dead?
The hospital reported 2 people they had no record of died in their hospital?
Posted by IceTiger
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Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 1/17/16 at 10:26 am to
LINK

So much confusion...and this is an updated article, said 2 died at the hospital.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118271 posts
Posted on 1/17/16 at 10:29 am to
Let's just all agree to agree that this story is a massive cia black flag in which many people died.

We can stop arguing about things we have no proof or evidence of.
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