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re: Family releases video of son dying in police custody *GRAPHIC & NSFW*
Posted on 9/25/15 at 7:44 am to stampman
Posted on 9/25/15 at 7:44 am to stampman
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Are we or are we not a civilized society?
Nope...not any longer! LA riots, Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. etc. Innocents are killed and their property taken every day by animals who are far from civilized
Correct. So is the solution to respond in a civilized manner, or to acknowledge that barbaric behavior is the proper means to one's end and behave as they do?
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 7:48 am to stampman
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Are we or are we not a civilized society
No unfortunately we are not. Mainly because of sick fricks like the ones posting in this thread. People who are ok with torturing a man to death over 700 hundred bucks. Sick minded fricks
Posted on 9/25/15 at 7:50 am to TigerBait1127
What if he doesn't show up to do community service?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:16 am to bencoleman
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No unfortunately we are not. Mainly because of sick fricks like the ones posting in this thread. People who are ok with torturing a man to death over 700 hundred bucks. Sick minded fricks
So a drug addict went into withdrawal symptoms and refused to eat and died. Stop acting like this was a blue collar person who was tortured in a prison camp. He was a drug addict and appeared to have mental health issues.
Should have transfered him to a mental health facility.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:38 am to ctiger69
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So a drug addict went into withdrawal symptoms and refused to eat and died
Once again you show your ignorance.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:41 am to TigerBait1127
quote:Being in jail was not the cause of death. His addiction was. The family must have known of his addiction, and that being cut off from the drugs would lead to withdrawal symptoms, a foreseeable event. Death from withdrawal effects, while not common, is not unknown. As such, it was foreseeable.
Going to jail should not be a foreseeable death.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:58 am to Poodlebrain
I am just assuming half you fricks didn't even read the entire article.
HE DID NOT DIE DUE TO WITHDRAWALS FROM HEROINE ADDICTION! He was a recovering addict who was PRESCRIBED 3 types of hardcore medication to help him recover from being an addict. He died after being in jail for two weeks with ZERO medication, after a jail nurse had suggested he be treated and detoxed in a separate facility. And after they watched him have seizures, get in a fight, not eat and lose 50 lbs, lay naked on the floor and whatever other disturbing shite went on in that jail cell.
I am not saying this former junkie's prior decisions did not aide in his demise, but once you arrest ANY man and put him in jail, he becomes the responsibility/liability of the state. You cannot throw him in a jail cell and watch him die out over the course of several weeks and do nothing about it. That is called negligence. And this guy lost his life because of a badly mishandled situation on the part of the prison's staff.
HE DID NOT DIE DUE TO WITHDRAWALS FROM HEROINE ADDICTION! He was a recovering addict who was PRESCRIBED 3 types of hardcore medication to help him recover from being an addict. He died after being in jail for two weeks with ZERO medication, after a jail nurse had suggested he be treated and detoxed in a separate facility. And after they watched him have seizures, get in a fight, not eat and lose 50 lbs, lay naked on the floor and whatever other disturbing shite went on in that jail cell.
I am not saying this former junkie's prior decisions did not aide in his demise, but once you arrest ANY man and put him in jail, he becomes the responsibility/liability of the state. You cannot throw him in a jail cell and watch him die out over the course of several weeks and do nothing about it. That is called negligence. And this guy lost his life because of a badly mishandled situation on the part of the prison's staff.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:00 am to Poodlebrain
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Where were the loving family members when he needed $772 to stay out of jail? How often did those family members visit him while his condition worsened in jail?
Why do you expect me, a total stranger, to care more for Stojcevski than his family or friends? I hope the family gets nothing as compensation for a wrongful death. Their contribution to his circumstances should preclude them being compensated as his death was foreseeable.
All I expect is at the lest you should respect the rule of law which applies to both this guy who died as well as the jailers responsible for him while incarcerated.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:03 am to ctiger69
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So a drug addict went into withdrawal symptoms and refused to eat and died. Stop acting like this was a blue collar person who was tortured in a prison camp. He was a drug addict and appeared to have mental health issues.
Should have transfered him to a mental health facility.
one of two things are true.
1. You didn't read the story
2. You did read the story and you're an idiot.
I'm not sure which one it is.... but it's one of them.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:07 am to Poodlebrain
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Being in jail was not the cause of death. His addiction was. The family must have known of his addiction, and that being cut off from the drugs would lead to withdrawal symptoms, a foreseeable event. Death from withdrawal effects, while not common, is not unknown. As such, it was foreseeable.
The jail also knew of his addiction and they also knew he had a doctor's prescription for three different powerful drugs to treat that addiction. It was the jail's responsibility to make sure his medicine was administered per his doctor's instructions while he was in jail but they totally failed to do this which killed the man.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:59 am to Darth_Vader
OK Mr. Motorcycle gang... 
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:08 pm to Topwater Trout
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What would you suggest the law be for people avoiding paying fines?
Put it on their credit report, make their DL invalid, pull it out of their tax rebates.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Put it on their credit report, make their DL invalid, pull it out of their tax rebates.
Are people STILL arguing that it makes sense to fricking jail someone over a traffic fine?
I've missed the middle section of this clusterfrick of a thread, but have we ever found out what the original violation was, and if the resulting $700+ was the original fine, or fine plus penalties?
In what world does it financially make sense to put a man in jail for 30 days to penalize him for not paying a $700 fine...when it's going to cost WAAAAAY more than what the state is trying to recoup? Are these guys just that bad at math or are simply that vindictive that even though it costs the state a shite ton more than the crap fine you're cool with it because the state gets to make him respect their authority?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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does it financially make sense
you are asking this in relation to a government agency?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:35 pm to cubsfan5150
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OK Mr. Motorcycle gang
So, being unable to come up with anything resembling a halfway intelligent counterpoint you resort to this? How truly pathetic.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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make their DL invalid
this is the second time I have seen you allude to doing this...what are/should be the consequences for someone who drives on a revoked license?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:42 pm to Topwater Trout
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this is the second time I have seen you allude to doing this...what are/should be the consequences for someone who drives on a revoked license?
Fine them like any other traffic violation. Three strikes you lose it for life.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:42 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Are people STILL arguing that it makes sense to fricking jail someone over a traffic fine?
Yes. They're well programmed cogs in the machine
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How fricked up.
Honst question.
What should the judicial system do in this particular case? The guy was a drug addict that didn't pay a 772 dollar fine. Should the judicial system just say frick and let the guy go even though he broke the law? And then if they do take him in to custody, they should cater to him because he is a drug addict and send him to rehab instead of jail?
I'm sick of people acting like because something bad happens when someone breaks the law, that the system is broken. Don't break the law and don't suffer the consequences of it. You know how many times I have been neglected in jail? None, I don't break the law.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Fine them like any other traffic violation. Three strikes you lose it for life.
So, break traffic law----get ticket
Fail to bay ticket-----get ticket
Fail to pay that ticket-----revoke license
1 Drive with no license and fail to pay tickets-----add to fine owed and revoke already revoked license
2Again drive with no license and fail to pay tickets-----add to fine owed and revoke already revoked license
3Again drive with no license and fail to pay tickets-----add to fine owed and revoke already revoked license but this time for life.
LOL, increasing the unpaid fine, and revoking a license permanently for a guy who repeatedly drives without a license anyway is definitely going to motivate a change in behavior.
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