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re: Family of Christian soldier who fell in Gaza asked to remove cross from his headstone
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:31 am to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:31 am to Lima Whiskey
quote:they're just defending themselves from the evil Muslims, yalllll
We're also Israels number one espionage target, for the same reason.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 10:25 am to Smoke Ring
Schoffield Bible
---No such thing.
---No such thing.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:24 pm to dallastigers
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I am not a boomer and don’t know what AiPAC is without looking it up, but I still support helping Israel
Then don't speak if you don't know what you're talking about.
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I don’t believe Christians are partners with the Jewish faith to spread god’s word, but it does have more in common and more of a shared history with it than with islam. Acknowledging that Jesus was one of the prophets in islam without acknowledging he is the son of god doesn’t create the kinship some try to push between muslims and Christians. It is admitting his history and a connection to God while purposely denying or ignoring the most important parts and elevating another above him. Be hot or cold. If you are lukewarm you will be spit out of god’s mouth. Islam’s view of Jesus is lukewarm.
How is a religion that thinks of Jesus as a schizo false prophet closer than a religion that views Jesus as the second holiest prophet of God?
They recognize Jesus' miracles and his message, they put an immense amount of respect on his name. Islam recognizes the Torah and the Gospel as well, they just believe it was tainted over time by human error and hubris. There are so many shared stories between the two religions, you should really look into the shared stories/parables/figures: Jesus, Mary, Archangel Gabriel, John the Baptist (mentioned multiple times in Islam as a prophet), many old testament figures...
I would argue Islam is much closer to Christianity as they at least respect jesus and don't take pride in crucifying him.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:22 pm to 632627
quote:ASk them that.
And how are Christians second class citizens in Israel ?
Spitting, Hitting Attacks on Christians are Surging in Israel: 'Extreme and Unacceptable'
Hundreds protest Christian worship near Western Wall
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:46 pm to blueboy
So if a minority in the united states is the victim of a hate crime, does that make them a second class citizen?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:48 pm to Old Money
quote:quote:Then don't speak if you don't know what you're talking about.
I am not a boomer and don’t know what AiPAC is without looking it up, but I still support helping Israel
Employ some ability to stay in context of a response to another post saying boomers brainwashed by AiPAC support of Israel and would be surprised about treatment of Christians.
Here is full comment and reply you selectively quoted:
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Not shocking given the history of Israeli Jews treatment of Christians. Unless you're a boomer brainwashed by AiPAC.
Yeah because Christians never did anything to jews or never supported the romans committing genocide against the jews…
A lot of left wing and liberal christians have been brainwashed to support an enemy of both the US and Israel.
I am not a boomer and don’t know what AiPAC is without looking it up, but I still support helping Israel defend itself against those who wish to annihilate it in the name of religion especially when same enemy hates us as well.
I don’t believe Christians are partners with the Jewish faith to spread god’s word, but it does have more in common and more of a shared history with it than with islam. Acknowledging that Jesus was one of the prophets in islam without acknowledging he is the son of god doesn’t create the kinship some try to push between muslims and Christians. It is admitting his history and a connection to God while purposely denying or ignoring the most important parts and elevating another above him. Be hot or cold. If you are lukewarm you will be spit out of god’s mouth. Islam’s view of Jesus is lukewarm.
If you don’t understand that then don’t speak on it…
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How is a religion that thinks of Jesus as a schizo false prophet closer than a religion that views Jesus as the second holiest prophet of God?
Be hot or cold not lukewarm is pretty self explanatory. Try again.
quote:except for the most important message. You know like being the son of god and dying for our sins and the resurrection.
They recognize Jesus' miracles and his message,
Go to a muslim country and tell the truth about Jesus being the son of god and the truth about Mohammed and see what happens.
Again. Be hot or cold not lukewarm is pretty self explanatory.
quote:In this regard you are a tool of the left and muslims. There is no equating of islam’s limited acceptance of Jesus to any acceptance of Christianity. Muslims want to get rid of the crusaders almost as much as the jews. Christians are considered kafirs just like any non-muslim is.
would argue Islam is much closer to Christianity as they at least respect jesus and don't take pride in crucifying him.
Muslims deny Jesus was crucified, so there is no need for them to take pride in it. Also, Pontius Pilate and the romans did the actual trial and act of crucifying.
Just acknowledging Jesus as a man and only part of his story while ignoring what makes him Christ is not any closer to Christianity than those who deny him. They both deny him as the Christ. Again in this denial islam is lukewarm.
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The cross is the crucial belief of Christians. Without the cross there is no resurrection. Without the resurrection, faith is in vain (1 Cor. 15:14). The Quran reports the Muslim denial of the crucifixion:
That they said in boast We killed Christ Jesus the Son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah. But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise. (Quran 4:157-158)
Muslims generally interpret the Quranic reference of the appearance of Jesus' crucifixion as God, casting the likeness of Jesus upon Judas Iscariot, Simon of Cyrene, or someone from the gathered crowd who was crucified in his place. Islam has no need of a mediator with God, of a savior who dies for their sins on a cross, and of a resurrected Lord who promises eternal life for the faithful.
But why does Islam take Jesus off the cross? The Messiah Jesus has no role to overcome human sin, for there is no human depravity and no need for salvation. Jesus as the Son of Mary, not the Son of God, has no role in reconciliation and salvation of man to God. Jesus as prophet is not allowed by God to die such a crucifixion, and thus by fate Jesus is freed from the cross. Thus, for Islam there is no need for crucifixion. It denies the crucifixion of Jesus as a fact.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:50 pm to Lima Whiskey
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We're also Israels number one espionage target, for the same reason.
Proof of this claim?
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