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Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:45 am to
Posted by Drew Orleans
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:45 am to
The Lord's jet, gentlemen.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:07 pm to
Here's one with an F-22

Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104235 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:12 pm to
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Written by Brian Schul—former sled (SR-71 Blackbird) driver.

There were a lot of things we couldn't do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane—intense, maybe, even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.

It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet.

I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn't match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury. Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace.

We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot who asked Center for a read-out of his ground speed. Center replied: "November Charlie 175, I'm showing you at ninety knots on the ground." Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the "Houston Center voice." I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country's space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the Houston controllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that and that they basically did. And it didn't matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.

Just moments after the Cessna's inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed in Beech. "I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed." Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren.

Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. "Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check." Before Center could reply, I'm thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a read-out? Then I got it, ol' Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He's the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: "Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground." And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done—in mere seconds we'll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now. I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn.

Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet. Then, I heard it—the click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke: "Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?" There was no hesitation, and the replay came as if was an everyday request.

"Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground." I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice: "Ah, Center, much thanks, we're showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money."

For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the Houston Center voice, when L.A. came back with, "Roger that Aspen. Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one." It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day's work. We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast. For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.







Posted by BayouNation
Member since Sep 2008
2108 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:22 pm to
Awesome story!
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:35 pm to
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Practically speaking, I wonder how far into the launch that the shuttle is immune to all attack given that they clear a square of airspace in front of it.

25-30 seconds? If even that long?


Probably closer to around 90 seconds. That's how long it takes the shuttle to get to SR-71 type altitudes and velocities.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by recruitnik
Campus
Member since Jul 2012
1223 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:51 pm to
So when we cut nasa's funding, do we get cool photos like this still?
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:52 pm to
I had the good fortune to witnes several STS launches. Among my (many) favorite parts was listening to the NASA radio broadcast. They'd give speed, altitude and miles down range updates several times a minutes - maybe 3 or 4. Maybe even 5 or 6 per minute - I don't remember exactly. What I do remember is that as it accelerated, the figures became crazier and crazier. Eventually, they were traveling ~17,600mph. That's almost five miles per SECOND!
Posted by ElwoodBlues
Member since Nov 2016
126 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:48 pm to
Seriously had no clue that combat air patrols were conducted during the shuttle launches. The more you know......
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12441 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:02 pm to
There's a drop zone (for skydiving) not far from there. It is a life goal of mine to make a jump with a launch in the distance. That's a picture I'd have framed above the mantle.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33675 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:16 pm to
If the strike eagle is there for protection wouldn't it have a full compliment of air to air weapons... looks kinda bare in that pic
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33675 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:20 pm to
that F/A 18 story is kinda funny with the SR 71... but...

dusty 52 is a very very unlikely call sign for a hornet squadron.. and Navy fixed wing has 3 numbers..........

i'll call bullshite on that one..
Posted by ElwoodBlues
Member since Nov 2016
126 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:26 pm to
In the first pic you can see one sidewinder and what looks like a AIM-120 on the left wing mounts. I imagine it would be the same on both wings?
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13964 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:40 pm to
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One thing I wanted to see was a live shuttle launch.... Never did
I was lucky enough to see Columbia's maiden flight, albeit from a distance.

My parents decided pretty much spur of the moment that this was something historic and that little ole me, all of 5 years old, should be able to witness it. We left Atlanta after they got off work Thursday and drove through the night. We were only able to make it as far as Daytona - every hotel south of that was booked solid. The plan was to watch the launch Friday morning, spend a weekend at the beach and come home. Launch scrubbed until Sunday, so we just stayed at the beach and came home afterwards.

I remember bits and pieces of it - listening to NASA audio from radios people had brought out to the beach and the sonic boom hitting finally hitting us. The only thing we could really see was the flame from the rockets and the white smoke column as it went up.

Tried to see another launch summer of 1995 I think it was. We were in Cocoa to visit family and the launch was scheduled for 7 or so the morning we were leaving. Got up around 4, drove to a parking area along the Indian River with a beautiful view of the launch pad in the distance. Countdown gets reaches the point where the main engines ignite (T minus 3 seconds or so) and the computers read a fuel flow problem, automatically shutting the engines down and scrubbing the launch.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104235 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

Seriously had no clue that combat air patrols were conducted during the shuttle launches. The more you know......


NASA also has a quick reaction force thats loaded for bear.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27570 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:47 pm to
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Nah, I think those are mostly post 9-11 fighters that are there for the same reason why you see an aviation military presence for pretty much all major sporting events: on site response to a terrorist attack in the form of a hijacked airliner




You are meaning for targets on the ground as in spectators?

How long after launch would a SAM have to reach a shuttle? When would its speed and altitude be such that nothing could get it?

What is the airspeed of the fastest missle?
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15757 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:56 pm to
What does "loaded for bear" mean?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104235 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:44 pm to
quote:

Seriously had no clue that combat air patrols were conducted during the shuttle launches. The more you know......


In addition to the combat Air patrol by F15s or F16s, two Blackhawks were in the air with assets to neutralize any threats found on the ground or in the water. The launch area was also patrolled by civilian contractors flying Cessna 337 Skymasters as is detailed in this article.



LINK
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 5:45 pm
Posted by ScrapPack
Member since Nov 2011
3707 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:44 pm to
quote:

One thing I wanted to see was a live shuttle launch.... Never did..


One of the most awe inspiring non-natural things I have ever seen in my life was a night launch. I was 40 miles away at the Naval Training Center in Orlando in the early 90's. The whole sky lit up and just looked like a big ball of fire going up into the air. Pretty awesome experience.
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