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re: Explain the incel “movement” to me like I’m an idiot

Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by Tester1216
South Louisiana
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:24 pm to
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lower class b/c they're the primary cultural group still marrying the lower class isn't marrying anymore so that creates ts own dynamic


High horse much?
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:25 pm to
Is it oversimplified to say that internet porn is fulfilling a need that was previously only satisfied by physical contact?

I’m not saying guys have just now started jerking it but the variety and availability has never been so simple.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:25 pm to
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but doesn’t explain why this group of weak men has increased in size.

i can get into much more detail, but it's feminism
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:27 pm to
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the issue is that ugly and shitty women can sill get laid and that's frustrating as hell


But ugly and shitty men get laid all the fricking time too. The difference between them and incels is that incels typically won't settle for someone on their level of ugliness and shittiness.

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now you're creating a straw man here



I'm basing this off their own attitudes displayed on r/incels and r/braincels.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:29 pm to
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High horse much?

what? no

For Richer, Not Poorer: Marriage and the Growing Class Divide

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In the 1950s, marriage rates didn't vary much among men with different levels of education, while educated women were less likely to get married than non-educated women.

Since then, marriage rates have declined much more steeply for Americans of both genders with less education.


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Many couples, particularly those who have achieved a lower level of education, also are choosing simply to live together instead of getting married, and those unions are less likely to end in marriage compared to cohabitations among Americans with a college degree, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.




How Did Marriage Become a Mark of Privilege?

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Marriage, which used to be the default way to form a family in the United States, regardless of income or education, has become yet another part of American life reserved for those who are most privileged.

Fewer Americans are marrying over all, and whether they do so is more tied to socioeconomic status than ever before. In recent years, marriage has sharply declined among people without college degrees, while staying steady among college graduates with higher incomes.

Currently, 26 percent of poor adults, 39 percent of working-class adults and 56 percent of middle- and upper-class adults ages 18 to 55 are married, according to a research brief published from two think tanks, the American Enterprise Institute and Opportunity America.



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Americans across the income spectrum still highly value marriage, sociologists have found. But while it used to be a marker of adulthood, now it is something more wait to do until the other pieces of adulthood are in place — especially financial stability. For people with less education and lower earnings, that might never happen.

College graduates are more likely to plot their lives methodically — vetting people they date until they’re sure they want to move in with them, and using birth control to delay childbirth until their careers are underway.

Less educated people are more likely to move in with boyfriends or girlfriends in a matter of months, and to get pregnant at a younger age and before marriage. This can make financial and family stability harder to achieve later on.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:30 pm to
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But ugly and shitty men get laid all the fricking time too. The difference between them and incels is that incels typically won't settle for someone on their level of ugliness and shittiness.


This I can believe. I have a guy who works for me who is a dumpy little slob, and he has a fat-arse girlfriend. They are both happy as can be. There is a seat for every arse.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:30 pm to
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Is it oversimplified to say that internet porn is fulfilling a need that was previously only satisfied by physical contact?

no but that's a variable for sure

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:32 pm to
Our welfare and entitlement system punishes marriage and rewards out-of-wedlock births, so marriage rates dropping among the poor is not surprising.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:36 pm to
it's beyond that now. it's a cultural thing

have you listened to the freakanomics episode on this? the FN guys are liberal and were so uncomfortable
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:38 pm to
this explains soccer
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:40 pm to
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have you listened to the freakanomics episode on this? the FN guys are liberal and were so uncomfortable


I love watching progressives actually having to swallow facts. It bothers them so much because it just pummels their worldview to dust.
Posted by Tester1216
South Louisiana
Member since Jul 2018
22149 posts
Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:41 pm to
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They are both happy as can be. There is a seat for every arse


I wouldn’t call this exactly settling but realized his relationship value and dated within his physical and likely educational pool.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:42 pm to
the thing about that episode wasn't that it was about the class divide, the contributor did a study disproving the "productive male" hypothesis. when they could explain the difference via income inequality (arguing that poor people marry less b/c fewer men were employed due to our current economy/capitalism), it was a safe topic. when the data showed that this wasn't a real argument, it got uncomfortable as hell
Posted by Tester1216
South Louisiana
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:42 pm to
Jesus, dude. That was a joke and I’m not reading all of that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:43 pm to
summary: marriage is now a class signal and becomes a bigger one every day
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:44 pm to
It’s cultural now, but it was learned from family who did it to take advantage of entitlements.

Big Gov took the place of daddy.

There are also many who are in a relationship, but not married also due to more entitlements.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:46 pm to
it's more than that. lots of lower class culture is a direct and outward rejection of upper class culture

hence the incredibly stupid and outlier names they use
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31966 posts
Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:49 pm to
We are getting far away from the OP, but still an interesting topic.

Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:53 pm to
Look up the supreme gentleman spree killer elliot rodger on YouTube and it will sum up the incel movement perfectly
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
102283 posts
Posted on 9/1/18 at 9:01 pm to
From browsing those boards, I notice their terms have a lot in common with the poliboard. Cuck, beta, etc.
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