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re: Experts believe 1 in 3 positive infected patients getting negative test result

Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27949 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:05 am to
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in the ab­sence of hard sci­ence
Oh..so this is the Global Warming of Viruses.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
12128 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:05 am to
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since it’s in the Wall Street journal it’s news


That's not how it works,

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dipshit

Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62207 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:07 am to
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WSJ


Trump bashed one of their reporters for running with conjecture at a virus briefing a few days ago.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:07 am
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:07 am to
Oh that’s right. Too “mainstream media” for you.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88456 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:09 am to
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Currently Orleans Parish sitting at 115 deaths out of a population of 400,000 people. That's already double your estimate - and assumes 100% of the people in the parish have it (0.029%).
you know a death rate is different for different areas because of demographics right? Please tell me you know that.
Posted by ItalianTiger
BR
Member since Feb 2005
791 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:10 am to
Depends on the test. PCR is 100% unless there is an operator error or a transcription error. The IGM / IGG antibody test will detect immunity (past exposure) or acute disease. It takes the body about 5 days to produce IGM so that could be negative but the antigen is present.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5790 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:11 am to
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They cau­tion that only lim­ited data is avail­able, and their es­ti­mates are based on their own ex­pe­ri­ence in the ab­sence of hard sci­ence.


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Well since it’s in the Wall Street journal it’s news dip shite.


Interesting consecutive posts....."absence of science", but "...it is news".


Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
11006 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:16 am to
It has already been reported that tests some European countries bought from China had 30% sensitivity rating (70% actually with virus not detected).

The original tests sent out by WHO and probably CDC had to be made using genome mapped by China because they would share actual samples the original 2 strains spreading there.

The study using patients in Wuhan back in Feb and saying tests used were similar to US seems strange considering CDC did their own (but again all started from China's genuine at least I think). Unless it's talking about using real-time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) tests generally.

But article also throws in this with all the 70% stuff
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The technology that underpins the new coronavirus tests so far available, a genetic method called polymerase chain reaction, typically detects over 90% of positive cases accurately, said Tom Taylor, a professor and former CDC statistician. In less dire circumstances, he said, the CDC would typically do a study to verify the accuracy of such tests, which might take a year.


And even though for doctors treating it's probably safest precaution with the boy until another test why wouldn't they get him tested again instead "betting".
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Last week, a 16-month-old boy in Florida tested positive for the new coronavirus, a lab report shows. A few days later, he tested negative at a second lab.
The chief medical officer at the practice where the tests were ordered is betting that the positive result is the right one.

That's like the NO healthcare worker that died whose test came back negative. They had them redo test with same sample and sent another sample to a university, and all came back negative.

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Country - Institute - Gene targets

China - China CDC - ORF1ab and Nucleoprotein (N)

Germany- Charité - RdRP, E, N

Hong Kong - HKU - ORF1b-nsp14, N

Japan - NIID - Pancorona and multiple targets, Spike protein (Peplomer)

Thailand - National Institute of Health - N

United States - US CDC - Three targets in N gene

France - Pasteur Institute - Two targets in RdRP Detection of virus using PCR tests



No one was expecting any tests to be perfect especially in such a short time. After hitting over 1 million results in just over 2 weeks now some want to bitch about oversight after just complaining about CDC oversight slowing down process.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:32 am
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30308 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:23 am to
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They cau­tion that only lim­ited data is avail­able, and their es­ti­mates are based on their own ex­pe­ri­ence in the ab­sence of hard sci­ence.


So at best based on opinion...at worst based on sheer fantasy.

Got it
Posted by StupidBinder
Jawja
Member since Oct 2017
6392 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:28 am to
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By the end of this the death rate is gonna be 0.015%


That doesn’t sound very trivial to me if half the people in the country get it and 250K people die.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3211 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:31 am to
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you know a death rate is different for different areas because of demographics right? Please tell me you know that.


Completely aware of that. I was unclear if you intended the denominator to be US Population or Infected Population.

It generally seems like your point is really along the lines of "The death rate of the people I care about is likely to be 0.015%"

But the math is going to include the both the demographics you care about and the ones you don't....like it or not those people are going to end up in the data too.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5587 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:56 am to
When this thing started and Louisiana received 2000 tests kits, JBE tried clarifying the reason the tested/confirmed/kits numbers didn’t make sense. At the time he said it took 3-4 test kits to confirm a single positive. ...So, it sounds like the quality of testing kits is slowly improving.
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