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re: Every developed country has high speed rail, why are so many against it in the U.S.?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:13 pm to theballguy
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:13 pm to theballguy
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Because you're all afraid of "undesirables" showing up in your towns. That's why Gwinnett county near Atlanta would never allow Marta up there though they definitely live there now. Have no idea why Americans are so afraid of mass transit
Wouldn’t that help?
If homeless people had easier access to nation wide travel they would be more spread out than concentrated.
Cities that incentivizes that behavior gets stuck with majority of the burden.
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:13 pm to RaoulDuke504
Some of these maps are just downright wrong. From personal experience in the last ten years.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:14 pm to dgnx6
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canadas map.
CAN has slower sped rail and it was great at least pre covid!
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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We're already built around air travel.
Agreed, but one can dream. Air travel fricking blows though. If I were a business guy who needed to go to a meeting in DFW from Houston, high speed rail would probably be faster and definitely more comfortable and less stressful than dealing with TSA and the boarding/deplaning process of the airlines.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:17 pm to RaoulDuke504
There's no real advantage to high speed rail. I'd rather fly if I have to go to a city too far to get to in one day of driving. And when I get there, I'm going to need a car anyway. American cities are not designed well for pedestrians.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:17 pm to Cheese Grits
I would take a train over driving for a road trip 10/10 times. Provided, they are as fast and luxurious as the trains in Japan.
Don't have to deal with traffic, work while traveling, and lowers my carbon footprint
Don't have to deal with traffic, work while traveling, and lowers my carbon footprint
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:19 pm to RaoulDuke504
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China has built dozens of new mega cities the last few decades and gave them high speed rail.
China wasn't just throwing money away in Ukraine either.
They can probably build track wherever and not be called racist too.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:20 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Wouldn’t that help?
If homeless people had easier access to nation wide travel they would be more spread out than concentrated.
Cities that incentivizes that behavior gets stuck with majority of the burden.
You would think so but lily white doesn't want them in their neighborhoods I guess
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:20 pm to dgnx6
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China has built dozens of new mega cities the last few decades and gave them high speed rail. China wasn't just throwing money away in Ukraine either
Most of those “mega cities” in China are uninhabited.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:20 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Every developed country has high speed rail, why are so many against it in the U.S.?
Few are against it; many are against paying for it unless they can use it frequently. Even then, what's happening right now with California's high speed rail is scaring the hell out of everyone. It's massively overbudget and may not ever get finished.
We have a massive country and a well developed air network. We do have high speed where we have the population density to justify it. Even some private lines.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:21 pm to Ricardo
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There's no real advantage to high speed rail. I'd rather fly if I have to go to a city too far to get to in one day of driving. And when I get there, I'm going to need a car anyway. American cities are not designed well for pedestrians.
High speed rail from NOLA to Dallas
Rail 3 hours
Drive 7 hours
Airplane 1.5 hours for check in and TSA, 1 hour to board, 2 hour flight.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:21 pm to LemmyLives
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It really doesn't. It kicked off with mask mandates, for the most part, and was fueled by the lawlessness started by BLM and extended to anyone of any race, and then magnified by everyone wanting their ATL fight video on WorldStarHipHop. And emotional support animals.
Can’t seem to find an updated version of this for 2024, but IIRC 2024 was still higher than any year prior to 2020.
It’s getting better for sure but there is still a high concentration of stupidity on flights and in airports.
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And it's still better than being on a Greyhound.
Well I don’t think that’s every not been true.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:22 pm to Cheese Grits
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CAN has slower sped rail and it was great at least pre covid!
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Several plans have been proposed for high-speed rail in Canada, the only G7 country that does not have any high-speed/higher-speed rail lines.
They are working on a 1,000km project. So 621 miles.
Wonder what happened with this project?
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The Pacific Northwest Corridor is one of ten high-speed rail corridors proposed by the US federal government. If the 750 km (466 mi) corridor were completed as proposed, 180 km/h (110 mph) passenger trains would travel from Eugene, Oregon, to Seattle, Washington, in 2 hours 30 minutes, and from Seattle to Surrey, British Columbia, in 2 hours 50 minutes. A dedicated line parallel to existing tracks would decrease this time into 1 hour, with 400 km/h (250 mph) speed. As of 2020, the proposal was still being worked on.
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The State of Washington completed in December 2020 an ultra-high-speed study titled, "Cascadia High Speed Ground Transportation". The Cascadia ultra-high-speed ground transportation (UHSGT) system would connect people and communities increase economic competitiveness, and improve quality of life across the Cascadia megaregion. This fast, safe predictable way to travel would connect the metro areas of Vancouver, Seattle, and Portland.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:23 pm to HeadCall
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Most of those “mega cities” in China are uninhabited
We’re in 2025 and people still believe this propaganda.
China is surpassing the US their cities are more advanced, their crime is lower, they build more and faster, and they aren’t stopping.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:23 pm to Cheese Grits
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Probably before you were born but L&N was a major player in Civil War to WW II era. Louisville had the Auto Train, greatest thing ever.
Also had trolleys in Louisville proper. But that was quite a bit before my time.
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Chicago to Nashville (Indianapolis and Louisville in between) would be a great high speed corridor
Absolutely. And a fair amount of rail exists to build off of in that general area.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:25 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Rail 3 hours
Drive 7 hours
Airplane 1.5 hours for check in and TSA, 1 hour to board, 2 hour flight.
Important to note that high speed track from New Orleans to Dallas to support the 200mph train and 180+ mph average speed your calculation would require...... would be insanely expensive. The air and highway network already exists. The rail infrastructure to support those speeds (grade separation, electrification, direct/straight tracks) simply does not exists and aren't even planned.
If you can use the existing rail right of way, you'd still have to double up and electrify the tracks and it would take 5-6 hours minimum. And good luck with the freight rail lobby since you'd be using their tracks. And since it doesn't have grade separation, you'd have to slow the train down at every town it passes through - and the locals will want a stop.
The high speed rail routes that are rolling out in this country are on existing passenger corridors; usually in high density regions. Dallas will probably get a high speed rail connection to Houston, Austin, and San Antonio in our lifetime. It is very unlikely to get high speed routes to secondary and more distant places like Memphis, Jackson, New Orleans, or Tulsa.
We need to face reality - this is a big arse country, and our patchwork of private rail infrastructure that makes freight movement so efficient ends up being an incentive to fight passenger rail in general - especially high speed rail.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:25 pm to RaoulDuke504
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China is surpassing the US their cities are more advanced, their crime is lower, they build more and faster, and they aren’t stopping.
I go to China 2-3 times a month. It’s my least favorite country on this planet. Everything about it sucks. The people suck, the food sucks, the internet sucks. Every city has more smog than 1970’s Los Angeles. The whole place is fricking gross.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:25 pm to BluegrassBelle
Freight has had a monopoly and subsidies for a century. Take those rail lines and make them build their own.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:25 pm to theballguy
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That's why Gwinnett county near Atlanta would never allow Marta up there though they definitely live there now.
Have no idea why Americans are so afraid of mass transit
That's why Gwinnett county near Atlanta would never allow Marta up there though they definitely live there now.
Have no idea why Americans are so afraid of mass transit
Gwinnett county wanted at least a fighting chance of not becoming Atlanta-lite.
I will never understand why not wanting to live in population-dense places literally stacked on top of other people makes one a bad person.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:27 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Freight has had a monopoly and subsidies for a century. Take those rail lines and make them build their own.
That’s never gonna happen and those rail lines wouldn’t support high speed rail anyways. If it’s ever gonna happen in the US the best bet is to build the rails in the medians of the interstate system.
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