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re: Evangelical Texas pastor Tony Evans steps down from church due to unnamed 'sin'
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:07 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:07 pm to Joshjrn
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That makes sense. With that said, I’m more referring to the already religiously professed more than I am the convert.
That’s a bit more suspect to me.
Hearts do become hardened and calloused over time. Especially with continued resistance, even with the saved who should have a relationship with Christ. After years of repeated resistance to repent from living in a particular sin, complete repentance becomes even less likely. Unless they are completely outed to the public eye.
They may rededicate themselves, but it may have not been as committed due to “leaving their first love”. The original withdrawal from God as one pursues sin.
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:10 pm to Dadren
But we are forgiven bc his son died on the cross if we accept and believe. If not, then none of us will be in heaven. Nobody gets through the day without some sort of sin.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:15 pm to Dixie2023
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But we are forgiven bc his son died on the cross if we accept and believe. If not, then none of us will be in heaven. Nobody gets through the day without some sort of sin.
I do agree, but there is a difference between sin and living in sin. Simply no longer attempting to “struggle against the flesh” is different And I agree. We sin daily. Omission and commission.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:16 pm to Dixie2023
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But we are forgiven bc his son died on the cross if we accept and believe. If not, then none of us will be in heaven. Nobody gets through the day without some sort of sin.
And here’s my rub. If even the most faithful are not just accepted to, but expected to, sin every single day, and all sin is equally abhorrent in the eyes of god, that’s a terrifying state of affairs.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:22 pm to L.A.
Dude's facial hair makes me want to punch a hole in some drywall
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:23 pm to L.A.
I will respect him if he gets a job outside of the ministry and still keeps the faith and spread God’s word. It’s the ones who “undergo a restoration process and get reinstated to the ministry” who bother me the most.
In first Timothy, the qualification for a pastor/elder stating “husband of one wife” doesn’t mean you can bang women out of wedlock and it somehow is okay.
Physicians can lose their medical licenses if they have a sexual relationship with patients. Why do we hold pastors and their congregations to a lesser standard?
In first Timothy, the qualification for a pastor/elder stating “husband of one wife” doesn’t mean you can bang women out of wedlock and it somehow is okay.
Physicians can lose their medical licenses if they have a sexual relationship with patients. Why do we hold pastors and their congregations to a lesser standard?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:25 pm to Joshjrn
Thomas doubted. He was a healthy skeptic even after spending years with Christ. He really wasn’t chastised by Christ after his doubts.
In the last days, the antichrist will have such a powerful deception that it will almost persuade even the elect.
In the last days, the antichrist will have such a powerful deception that it will almost persuade even the elect.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:29 pm to Joshjrn
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On the other hand, I frequently find myself antagonistic towards the facially religious, who are willing to forgive anything of themselves as one of the “faithful” while using their religiosity as a bludgeon against all others.
That’s fair. There is plenty of hypocrisy in the church.
But, I’ll say that there shouldn’t be an expectation that anyone in the church should be perfect, even the most “deeply religious”. The reason that we’re Christians is because we believe deeply that we are far from perfect.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:31 pm to Joshjrn
Hate to hear this, Tony Evans is one of the best preachers I’ve ever heard.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:33 pm to DeBoersTheMan
I’m kinda perplexed by this. He’s always seems like such a genuine guy.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:35 pm to Joshjrn
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here’s my rub. If even the most faithful are not just accepted to, but expected to, sin every single day, and all sin is equally abhorrent in the eyes of god, that’s a terrifying state of affairs.
I think the poster above you summarized it perfectly.
If (when) I sin, it’s because of a moment of weakness, or a lapse in judgment, or a mistake. And if I’m truly repentant God will forgive me.
If I decide to live in sin, I don’t actually believe that sin is what it is, so I’m not even putting up a fight.
The difference is really between you and God.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:35 pm to grizzlylongcut
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When you say “church leader” what do you mean? I’d say that the apostle Paul was a church leader considering his role in Acts.
Saul found God and became Paul. Paul wasn’t a megachurch preacher who told some chick at the bar that his name was Saul, banged said chick, and went back to the pulpit as Paul the next Sunday.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:51 pm to Dadren
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Worldly punishments are not necessarily the same as our eternal judgement. Even in the Old Testament, God prescribed different worldly punishments for different offenses. When it comes our salvation, He makes no such distinction because all sin separates us from Him, regardless of how we ourselves would evaluate it.
Well stated. I think some folks are equating being “disqualified from the ministry” (ie no longer being qualified to be a pastor/elder), to losing your salvation.
Losing the pastoral position is the (biblically sound) worldly punishment for the sin. It doesn’t strip him of Salvation and Heaven.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:52 pm to Dadren
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But, I’ll say that there shouldn’t be an expectation that anyone in the church should be perfect, even the most “deeply religious”. The reason that we’re Christians is because we believe deeply that we are far from perfect.
And again, I get that. But put yourself in the shoes of the non believer for a second. How would you react to someone who told that you that they, along with all humanity, are woeful wretches who, in spite of the looming threat of eternal damnation, violate their covenant with their chosen deity every. single. day. And in spite of their actions, no matter how abhorrent, they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise because of their faith in their salvation.
Would that not terrify you a little bit?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:01 pm to L.A.
Dead girl or live boy?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:02 pm to Joshjrn
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woeful wretches who, in spite of the looming threat of eternal damnation, violate their covenant with their chosen deity every. single. day. And in spite of their actions, no matter how abhorrent, they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise because of their faith in their salvation.
To make matters worse, take away the free will/Arminian thought and insert Calvinism. They’re only going to Heaven because they are part of the elect (the chosen ones, AKA triple J’s, Jesus’s Jeff Jarrett’s)
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:05 pm to CrystalPreserves
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If the christian god was real it would be really fricken depressing to accept after seeing what we all see that he allows to happen cross our newsfeeds.
Free will has consequences. If god were to not allow some acts to happen, then he would be a tyrant and we would be no more than puppets.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:15 pm to Ponchy Tiger
These guys are addicted to the fame and attention of being pastors.
Speaking of redemption tours of disgraced pastors:
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Speaking of redemption tours of disgraced pastors:
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:16 pm to L.A.
Not mad. stepping down is the appropriate response.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:24 pm to Shamoan
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Not mad. stepping g down is the appropriate response.
Always sucks getting caught smashing young pussy that you are supposed to be ministering to.
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