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Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:55 am to lsu777
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now personally i am an isolationist and hate 100% of any foreign aide and if it was up to me we wouldnt send a frickign dime to any country until things here were taken care of.
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but
Lol
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:57 am to The Egg
Not sure the entire country is profiting as much as certain sectors and politicians in power in US and Ukraine, but the EU can just make up their spending deficit. I support cutting back our level of spending. If Russia economy is breaking I am guessing besides continuing to fund wartime at much higher levels than the EU & UK combined we are also going to have to fund peacetime and rebuilding at higher levels as well.
Also as far as military aid/equipment transfers of those totals - US 27.65 billion to the EU’s 2.5 billion (some countries also have given a little more directly or thru NATO & unsure how much funded by US through NATO partnerships). I don’t know how much is actually being used to replenish our stocks versus just dumping equipment at a set value or helping NATO partners replenish after dumping stuff, but I am not sure why the EU thinks US money buying from US companies is a problem.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/
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From January 24 to October 3, 2022, the United States provided around 52.3 billion euros in bilateral financial, humanitarian, and military aid to Ukraine in view of the Russian invasion that started in February 2022. The second-highest value of commitments was recorded from the European Union (EU) institutions, such as the Commission and the EU Council, at approximately 16.2 billion euros.
Also as far as military aid/equipment transfers of those totals - US 27.65 billion to the EU’s 2.5 billion (some countries also have given a little more directly or thru NATO & unsure how much funded by US through NATO partnerships). I don’t know how much is actually being used to replenish our stocks versus just dumping equipment at a set value or helping NATO partners replenish after dumping stuff, but I am not sure why the EU thinks US money buying from US companies is a problem.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:57 am to Cobra Tate
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And they all have severe tds which is very odd
you do realize its possible to like quite a few of trumps policies but also acknowledge where he made mistakes and not have TDS right?
you also realize its ok to not like trump for 2024 and not have tds right?
and many of the posters in the war thread are prior service and are conservatives who voted for trump
but what every makes you feel better
and want to talk about brainwashed..... all you have to do is look at the cult of personality around trump. on the PT board you are not even allowed to say you like another candidate more without being attacked.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:59 am to lsu777
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you also realize its ok to not like trump for 2024 and not have tds right?
Sure but when ppl say "Trump said nice things about Putin" to make a point they shouldnt be listened too
But 99% of that thread is biased and brainwashed
You are definitely one of them
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:00 pm to The Egg
Well duh. The entire DC apparatus, Republicans included, supported impeaching Trump when he had the nerve to point out that the Ukraine was a money laundering scheme for the pols.
Once they got him out last "election", Ukraine "goes to war" and now we are sending them billions in aid that we can't account for.
Once they got him out last "election", Ukraine "goes to war" and now we are sending them billions in aid that we can't account for.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:03 pm to lsu777
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nobody beleives its about supporting ukraine, its about dealing a blow to Russia, our historical greatest geo-political threat.
so now according to some idiots around here, its not a good investment to spend less than 6% of our defense budget to essentially remove well over 50% of conventional military and prolly collapse one of the biggest dictators and human rights violator on the planet. LINK
how the frick do you come to that conclusion?
now personally i am an isolationist and hate 100% of any foreign aide and if it was up to me we wouldnt send a frickign dime to any country until things here were taken care of.
but lets look at it from money spent vs results since we are already going to spend the money period. if you look at it that away, its a good investment.
if we get to sell more O&G well that is just a cherry on top
Yet blowback is never mentioned.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:04 pm to The Egg
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because they are selling more gas and at higher prices
This part is the Europeans' fault. They eliminated their own nuclear and LNG production. The higher cost is not a problem when you plan for the future appropriately like the French. Not what the Germans have done over the past 12 years.
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because they are selling more weapons
Yes they are. The United States have off loaded a lot of weapons to Ukraine. Is this a good thing? Maybe. Russia is not a noble actor and without the weapons the Ukrainians would have lost.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:04 pm to Deactived
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Lol
Happens every time
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:06 pm to Cobra Tate
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Sure but when ppl say "Trump said nice things about Putin" to make a point they shouldnt be listened too
i agree, i could give 2 fricks what said, i like action
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You are definitely one of them
oh yea....care to explain or just because you said so?
i can promise, im to the right of 99% of the PT but yea im sure im brainwashed.
for what...simply posted facts that we have spent less than 5% of our defense budget and over half the russian conventional military has been destroyed? how does that make me brainwashed?
or am i brain washed because i have conservative principles and dont bend them to the cult of personality?
or amy i brainwashed because i beleive russia is still to blame for the war despite the corruption between many us politicians and ukraine and the bullshite that goes on there? you do realize it can be both right?
please point out a single thing i said that was wrong? dont throw out bullshite, point it out and tell me why i was wrong or post the facts.
as far as Jones comment above....i dont get the choice of spending foreign aide or not. wish i did but i dont. I do acknowledge that sometimes its a must to keep the economy up, but i dont like it. but if its goign to be spent, i would rather spend it destoying half of the conventional military of our largest historical geopolitical foe over spending it on some bullshite in the middle east like gender studies in pakistan.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:08 pm to The Egg
If by US they mean democrats, then yes.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:08 pm to upgrayedd
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Happens every time
you can frick off too.
like i said, i dont get the choice if the funds are spent. but in the grand scheme we are getting our moneys worth on this one.
i would rather it not be spent but i dont get to make that decision.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:08 pm to lsu777
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i agree, i could give 2 fricks what said, i like action
Yup no wars under that guy
Thats the best action we have ever had
You think our ROI on this war is good
No one should ever listen to you either
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:09 pm to molsusports
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This part is the Europeans' fault. They eliminated their own nuclear and LNG production. The higher cost is not a problem when you plan for the future appropriately like the French. Not what the Germans have done over the past 12 years.
Yeah, quoting an EU official bitching about "muh America war profiteering" is a bit strange for the right-of-center anti-Ukrainian aid crowd on this board.
This is more than likely yet more EU economic protectionism and/or anti-capitalist sentiment of the European Union at-large.
They want America to subsidize their military protection at a financial loss for us.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:09 pm to upgrayedd
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Yet blowback is never mentioned.
blowback from what? from not letting russia run roughshed across europe?
ukraine is a shithole, but so is russia and russia sure as frick is more of a threat and more a shithole when it comes to frickign things up on the world stage.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:11 pm to lsu777
US spends nearly a trillion on our military per year to counter threats such as China and Russia... This war, if anything, shows us we could cut that spending to about 1/3 and project the same power. So how about we go ahead and defund the military lads.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:12 pm to Cobra Tate
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But 99% of that thread is biased and brainwashed
Aren't you the guy that was claiming that Russian media had no love for Trump, then ran away after a barage of links were posted saying just that?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:13 pm to frequent flyer
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The US economy should benefit from it. If the Europeans don't like that, they can build their own military industrial complex. And handle their own problems.
Or their own oil refineries and fertilizer plants. All you need to make ammonia is air and natural gas.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:13 pm to Cobra Tate
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Yup no wars under that guy
Thats the best action we have ever had
i agree 100%, his foreign policy was the best policy he had and the best we have had in 3+ decades
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You think our ROI on this war is good
No one should ever listen to you either
umm great comback
way to use facts and figures
this war has gotten the rest of Nato to increase spending to agreed upon GDP%, something trump talked about a ton.
it isnt costing american lives
it is a small % of our defense budget for a big return
like i said, you can not like spending the money in the first place(i dont) and acknowledge we are getting a good roi on it.
but please post the facts on why i am wrong on the roi and why letting russia run through ukraine is a good thing?
its laughable that so many of you dont learn from recent history. you dont stop a bully by letitng him have what he wants and then expecting him to honor that agreement. it has never worked and most recent example is hitler.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:15 pm to spacbuckeye
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US spends nearly a trillion on our military per year to counter threats such as China and Russia... This war, if anything, shows us we could cut that spending to about 1/3 and project the same power. So how about we go ahead and defund the military lads.
im good with this....but first we defund all of the other foreign spending, all subsidies, all social programs, department of education etc
then 100% good with lowering military spending.
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