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re: Estranged biological father died today

Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:22 pm to
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
9796 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:22 pm to
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Growing up poor on the Northside of Lafayette it was never an issue , I was just another kid without a dad.

When I found out today it was the most disturbing feeling of nothing. It was the strongest indifference I've ever felt & that concerned me.


It seems like you have a handle on this, but in case you don't, remember that blood means nothing if one party was absent.

I also lost my father about a month ago. He died in Louisiana and I'm up here in Idaho. I didn't even go to his funeral. We weren't estranged, but he wasn't a traditional father, and I saw him more as someone who I would see every now and then. I loved him, but I accepted about a year ago after his diagnosis that I'd seen him for the last time.

When he died my response was, and still is, much like yours. I felt nothing. Half of my family couldn't understand it, but the other half that was there for much of my childhood just got it. The "It's family" sentiment means nothing to me. Plenty of family members I wouldn't save from a burning building, plenty of close friends who'd I give a kidney for.

Your response is your response. I took away the same thing you did. If I have a kid I know how not to act, even though I know my father's intentions were not malicious. As long as you understand that your feelings are valid I think that's all you need. I get it.
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5445 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:24 pm to
I grew up with my dad in the house, at least until 10 yo when my parents divorced. He was an abusive drunk. As I got older, he got sober, but the damage was done(not going to delve into specifics, but more than enough to be forgiven). I saw him 2 or 3 times a year up until I had my first child. The true impact of his actions to my siblings and I were not fully realized until I held my son. I cut off contact with him shortly thereafter( in all honesty, I instigated most of the contact to begin with). He died summer of ‘19 and, as the oldest child, I had to deal with it all. I get more choked up at checking out at the grocery store than I did dealing with his arraignments. It had been 25 years since I spoke to him. Somewhere down deep, I half-heartedly expected a letter of apology showing remorse to us, but none were to be found. I’ve said on here before, I didn’t learn how to be a dad from my father, I learned how not to be. I have 5 kids now and while I’m not perfect I’m a hell of a lot better than what he was. Take solace from that. More importantly, move on and enjoy your life and be better for it.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40009 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:27 pm to
See i often wonder what’s appropriate when my real father dies. Go to funeral out of respect or not? How do you know what’s right?
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 10:29 pm
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21353 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:27 pm to
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I have a nonexistent father, I wonder someday when he dies, if he isn't already dead, if I will grieve? But I think I already experienced that grief as a child and again when I had my children. Don't doubt your veracity/decency based on emotions you dont feel.
This is good advice.

I think the instinct you are feeling about the strangeness of your non-emotion is a vestige of the inherent “father question” that all people have, especially men, in relation to their search for meaning in life.

A father is inherently a judge. It’s inescapable, and has nothing to do with the actual person who is your father and their personality. We understand on some deep level that we inherited a set of genes, at a minimum, and also the culture of our fore-bearers.

When a father is around and active in our life, we measure ourself against him, and also against the image of ourselves that we believe he has for us.

For you, this person is practically, but not entirely, nonexistent. You had other role models to compare yourself to, people who loved you and who had dreams and aspirations for you, which you also compare yourself to.

Nevertheless, in your journey, the genetic component of your inheritance remained somewhat of a mystery. Although this man had no involvement in your life and you clearly were able to be properly nourished spiritually and guided with the wisdom of an established family culture, you may have recognized at some point in the past that you would never have that detailed genetic information component.

And it seems that you are just fine without that knowledge, and all that’s left is the wonder at your lack of an emotional scar over that fact.

Just know that you could, at some future point, and only if you choose to do so, go back and investigate some details about your biological father if it would help you on your journey through life. For now, be proud of the man that you have become, thank God for the wonderful role models you did have, and say a prayer for the soul of your departed and estranged sperm donor.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83223 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:28 pm to
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Rsande63


I've got two things to say to you.

First, your parents don't define you. Yes, most parents provide some semblance of role models, but they aren't perfect.

Second, after perusing your post history, whoever did raise you did a phenomenal job. You owe them a debt of gratitude and it's a shame other people didn't have your support system growing up.

Having said that, you're dad is your dad. Grieve. He was your father. It's okay.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40009 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:28 pm to
Yep .. being a parent absolutely exhausted makes you realize what they weren’t.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
9796 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

See i often wonder what’s appropriate when my real father dies. Go to funeral out of respect or not? How do you know what’s right?


For me it was simple. My father was dead, and he didn't know if I went to his funeral or not. I couldn't care less what my siblings/family thought of my decision, because it was just that. MY decision.

What you have to ask yourself is will you regret it. I had to think very hard about that and I decided that I wouldn't. Was I right? I don't know. I'd imagine in 10 years I'll have a better read. But as of right now, I am very content with my decision.
Posted by Apache
San Diego
Member since Dec 2013
2749 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:45 pm to
I'm sorry for your loss.
Posted by Rsande63
Spring,TX
Member since Jan 2016
587 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:46 pm to
I'm reading & sincerely digesting each response so thanks. Making an effort to respond as well ....

For me, the funeral topic was a non issue because my grandmother just got an after the fact letter from Social Security. Would I have went? No , I would have felt like I was intruding on his life ..he did live post -1984 and I would have never wanted to disrupt their grief with my seemingly pompous arrival at his service.

Jimbeaux,
Very deep response and very eery in its accuracy. Call it religion/spiritual but I never wanted to let my disappointing experience with an earthly father take me away from a Godly Father. I could not let that evil win & tried to grow closer the the ones that loved me , on earth and beyond.

Tide,

Thanks. In the end I'm trying navigate this the way my heart & soul need me to...I have to step away from the nostalgic concept that society thinks of when a son gets that call..the flashbacks of sitting on his lap at baseball games & fishing do not exist & I can't be expected to respond like they did.
Posted by Unobtanium
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
1854 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:48 pm to
My analysis (free and worth it) - you are struggling with feeling nothing for someone that your never knew, as opposed to the utter grief, despair and loss you're supposed to feel when a parent dies. You're trying to make sense of something that will never make sense.

Keep doing this for as long as it takes.
quote:

Spoke to my wife, two closest friends & Pastor today
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37684 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:51 pm to
Man you sound like you’re in a really good place now and guess what? That YOUR place. You earned it yourself. Don’t fret about not having feelings that weren’t earned in the first place. You good. Fly on.
Posted by Rsande63
Spring,TX
Member since Jan 2016
587 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:52 pm to
Unobtanium,

Spot on & that is my issue. I'm trying to make sense of something hard for a traditional family and my "natural order of things" has been off since day #1 , I can't fix that in one day and that doesn't show weakness or ineptitude on my part. Thanks.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42023 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:53 pm to
Dude was a stranger


That said sorry for your loss
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:00 pm
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
13010 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:45 pm to
You only have one Father and that is God. God blesses his children with children. It was his responsibility to raise and care for you. He was never your father. He was a stranger that you didn't know, who died.
Posted by Langland
Trumplandia
Member since Apr 2014
15382 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:02 am to
My mom was raised by her grandmother. Her dad was around but she lived with her grandmother. Her mom, who pretty much abandoned her wasn't around. frick that woman. I never met her, but I saw her once thru a window. She looked like the fat fricking, greasy loser one would imagine.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37171 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:09 am to
Sorry buddy. Can’t imagine that tangled knot you are trying to unwind. Just know you have more worth than he could have ever imagined.
Posted by Vlatket
Member since Oct 2016
7475 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:11 am to
That's pretty much common. In order to show grief for something or someone you have to have built love over the years through certain experiences and memories. The fact you never met him, it might as well well be stranger. How many people you see show emotion if some guy down the road dies.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297081 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:15 am to
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I'm a broken fool like everyone else !


Yep, I'm in that crowd.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
20867 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:20 am to
There are several responses from folks whose father abandoned them.

Where are all the absentee dad posters? Let’s hear from you, fellows. Good decision to bail on the kid? Bad decision? Any regrets, or are you enjoying the kid-free life?
Posted by UK FOOTBALL WINS
Member since Aug 2021
65 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:42 am to
Sorry for your fricked up childhood.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 12:46 am
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