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re: 'Equal Pay' chants following U.S. Victory
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:31 am to BrohemAlem11
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:31 am to BrohemAlem11
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What exactly did I say that was wrong. In my workplace we have people who work more hours than others. They get more money because of this. I have therapists who have higher degrees and thus command more money from insurance reimbursement and thus earn a higher pay rate. It seems like a pretty common tenant of capitalism that you earn what you are worth to the workplace...I applied this to the USWNT...how am I wrong?
Where to start.
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What exactly did I say that was wrong. In my workplace we have people who work more hours than others. They get more money because of this.
Are any of the national team players hourly employees? Otherwise the number of hours they work is worthless. How the men and women are paid is also vastly different.
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I have therapists who have higher degrees and thus command more money from insurance reimbursement and thus earn a higher pay rate
Which tournament would you liken to being the "higher degree" between the Women's World Cup and the Men's World Cup?
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It seems like a pretty common tenant of capitalism that you earn what you are worth to the workplace...I applied this to the USWNT...how am I wrong?
Sure, but shows your overall lack of a grasp of capitalism. Your overall marketplace also factors into your worth. Someone working in a $150M industry is going to probably make less than someone working in a $6B industry.
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Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:33 am to cable
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They should be paid exactly the same as whatever age/level of men that they can beat.
Which is nothing. They got smashed by 15 year olds.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:40 am to SoulGlo
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They got smashed by 15 year olds.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:42 am to baldona
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They are asking for money they don’t deserve
Professional athletes are entertainers. They 'deserve' whatever they can get from the people buying tickets. (whether directly or through advertising to their fans)
I'm not buying a ticket to watch any kind of soccer, but if enough people do, the players should benefit.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:49 am to tokenBoiler
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They 'deserve' whatever they can get from the people buying tickets. (whether directly or through advertising to their fans)
Is it 1932 again?
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:50 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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They got smashed by 15 year olds
I think you are confusing this with a teacher thread
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:51 am to tokenBoiler
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Professional athletes are entertainers. They 'deserve' whatever they can get from the people buying tickets. (whether directly or through advertising to their fans) I'm not buying a ticket to watch any kind of soccer, but if enough people do, the players should benefit.
The women do sell tickets well in the States compared to US Men right now for friendlies and such. The problem is they don't make it into tournaments that pay anywhere in the same galaxy as well as the men do.
Sorry you do better here in the states in comparison to the Men, but internationally the money in Men's soccer is ridiculous.
It does suck for them to do as well as they do here, but that's the way capitalism works.
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 11:52 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:07 pm to Dam Guide
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It does suck for them to do as well as they do here, but that's the way capitalism works.
God this statement is so stupid
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:07 pm to KirkLazarus
Read an article suggesting the women’s team made more than the men’s in some recent years in re revenue from games, but that not only did both teams’ unions get them different but agreed upon salary agreements (women are paid the same regardless of wins, men paid mostly by bonuses depending on wins), but revenue from games are only a quarter of the revenue whereas ads and such (maybe merch too?) were about half of all revenue.
In short, who makes more? The article suggested it might be comparable per gameday revenue. But it’s not so clear (so probably men make more) from other forms of revenue.
Further, the recently-agreed upon salary plans would reduce the discrepancies to a large degree anyway.
But for shits and giggles I’d love to see the men play the women. That would end a lot of the crying. The women are proportionately better than the men (more championships), not directly (some women’s teams have been beaten by 15-yo boys’ teams apparently). So instead of comparing apples to oranges (they don’t want to go there), we just need to get the numbers straight in re revenue. Do that and you’ll get some pretty fair salaries.
If they ARE paid less by how much they bring in, then hell yea pay them more. But I want to know the numbers first.
In short, who makes more? The article suggested it might be comparable per gameday revenue. But it’s not so clear (so probably men make more) from other forms of revenue.
Further, the recently-agreed upon salary plans would reduce the discrepancies to a large degree anyway.
But for shits and giggles I’d love to see the men play the women. That would end a lot of the crying. The women are proportionately better than the men (more championships), not directly (some women’s teams have been beaten by 15-yo boys’ teams apparently). So instead of comparing apples to oranges (they don’t want to go there), we just need to get the numbers straight in re revenue. Do that and you’ll get some pretty fair salaries.
If they ARE paid less by how much they bring in, then hell yea pay them more. But I want to know the numbers first.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:58 pm to LNCHBOX
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Total prize money for the Women’s World Cup in 2019 is $30 million — the champions will walk away with about $4 million. For contrast, in the 2018 Men’s World Cup, the champions won $38 million from a total pool of about $400 million.
Reminds me of this tweet I saw the other day: 
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:22 pm to KirkLazarus
They think it’s bc they are women. It’s bc they are smaller, slower, weaker, etc. Tell them to be more athletic than the men’s teams and they would make more $.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:36 pm to Barbellthor
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If they ARE paid less by how much they bring in, then hell yea pay them more. But I want to know the numbers first.
The problem is that you have SJW journalists twisting the numbers to fit the narrative. In 2015 for instance, their argument was exactly the same, but focused on "USWNT brought in more money in 2015 but are paid less than the men." Well no shite? The Women's team had their most profitable year ever while the men had a usually low profitable year following a world cup. They didn't bother to mention any revenue in 2014 for a reason, because it'd blow up their argument. Now that the men didn't make the 2018 world cup, which is an anomaly, they are using the same argument and using revenue from 2015-2018 to compare. What they don't tell you about those numbers is that broadcast and endorsement $ are split 50/50 between men's and women's teams, which is bogus.
I'm fine with them being paid based on % of revenue if that's what they want. But don't come crying in 2022 when the pay gap sky rockets if the men's team make it to the world cup.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:37 pm to SUB
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What they don't tell you about those numbers is that broadcast and endorsement $ are split 50/50 between men's and women's teams, which is bogus.
Link?
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:47 pm to KirkLazarus
If they don't like how much they are getting paid, they have every right to resign and find a better opportunity for better pay.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:50 pm to KirkLazarus
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that the men's and women's national teams should be paid equally.
Cut the men's pay
Problem solved.....NEXT!!!
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:50 pm to TigerStripes06
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I’m almost willing to bet the gold cup final tonight draws more viewers than the World Cup final did this morning
What a terrible, dense take. The US women's World Cup Championship games have always scored big ratings.
This year was no exception. The scored a 10, on a Sunday morning. That's huge.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 2:39 pm to northshorebamaman
It's like comparing the lingerie football league to the NFL.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 2:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Link?
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USSF sells sponsorships (which include broadcast rights for all U.S. Soccer games) as a bundle. The documents we reviewed don’t distinguish which team brings in more sponsorships or how sponsorship dollars are allocated.
Then there's this:
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When it comes to revenue from games, the women’s national soccer team has held its own against the men’s team since the 2015 World Cup win. But games account for only one-quarter of USSF revenue. Sponsorships make up half, and it’s hard to determine what the women’s team contributed to USSF without more data.
Are you kidding me? How can anyone make an argument about unequal pay based on revenue if you don't even know how half of the damn revenue was attributed to either team? Seems like that's kind of an important thing to know...
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 7/8/19 at 2:48 pm to SUB
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Total prize money for the Women’s World Cup in 2019 is $30 million — the champions will walk away with about $4 million. For contrast, in the 2018 Men’s World Cup, the champions won $38 million from a total pool of about $400 million. In other words, the champions from the men’s world cup were awarded more than the total prize money in the women’s tournament. So there’s no question that there’s a huge gap in earning potential here.
I don't see what the pool money is based on. I did see in another article that in 2010 the mens WC generated 4 billion in revenue and 4yrs ago the womens WC generated 73 million.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 2:50 pm to northshorebamaman
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Reminds me of this tweet I saw the other day:
She/he/it should compare revenue. The last WWC brought in $73 million. The last MWC brought in $6 billion.
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