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Enforcement of NOLA smoking ban on individuals would be racist

Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:00 am
Posted by arseinclarse
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:00 am
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The ink is barely dry on New Orleans’ recently expanded smoking ban, and it won’t go into effect for more than two months, but there’s already a proposal on the table to amend the measure by preventing individual smokers from being punished if they light up in a bar or casino.

The proposed amendment, sponsored by Councilman Jason Williams, is not expected to come up for a vote at Thursday’s City Council meeting, though it could be on an agenda in the near future.

The ban the council passed two weeks ago essentially bars smoking or using electronic cigarettes in nearly any indoor business, including bars and casinos that were exempted from the 2007 state law that prohibits smoking in restaurants and other workplaces. There are still exemptions for cigar bars, hookah bars and electronic cigarette shops.

Mayor Mitch Landrieu signed the ban into law last week. It will take effect April 22.

Penalties for violations range from a $100 fine for a first offense to $500 for a third offense within a 12-month period.

Under the law as passed, those penalties could be levied against the smokers themselves or the owners, managers or employees of the establishment where they were smoking. The measure also allows the city to revoke the permits of establishments where there are violations.

Williams’ proposed change would eliminate the possibility that individual smokers could be fined — an idea he said is aimed at ensuring it would not be used to target minorities.

That would be an extension of a previous amendment he succeeded in adding to the ordinance that takes enforcement out of the hands of the New Orleans Police Department. He said that change was intended to make sure officers can’t use smoking as a pretext for searches or harassment based on an individual’s race.

“This makes it clear so when I’m dead and gone or no longer on the council, there’s not someone that says anything on the books can be enforced by the NOPD,” Williams said.

Council members Jared Brossett, James Gray and Nadine Ramsey all have signed on as co-sponsors of Williams’ proposed amendment. Those four members together pushed through a number of changes to the ban before the council adopted it, narrowing its scope and eliminating provisions that would have prevented smoking outside near doorways and in other outdoor areas.

It was not clear Wednesday where Councilwoman LaToya Cantrell, who sponsored and championed the ban as it made its way to adoption, stands on Williams’ latest proposal.

The amendment would put the entire onus of enforcing the ban on bartenders and others working at the establishments, who Williams said are in the best position to control what is happening in their businesses.

“Bartenders are going to be the best and most reliable enforcement,” Williams said.


Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
84065 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:00 am to
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Everything is racist.


FIFY
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32394 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:06 am to
If NOPD isn't enforcing it, then who the hell is?
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
32479 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:06 am to
Why can't e-cigs be allowed.

This shite is fricking ridiculous. I support new bill.

Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:10 am to
I was smoking a cig at UNO yesterday and realized that they had picked up all of the ash trays. When I was done with it, I just threw it in the big pile on the ground next to the building

Smoking bans work so well
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32394 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:16 am to
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I was smoking a cig at UNO yesterday and realized that they had picked up all of the ash trays. When I was done with it, I just threw it in the big pile on the ground next to the building


Trashy.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84065 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:18 am to
I bet your story sounded way cooler in your head.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101322 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:21 am to
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I was smoking a cig at UNO yesterday and realized that they had picked up all of the ash trays. When I was done with it, I just threw it in the big pile on the ground next to the building


Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
16975 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:22 am to
The exact reasoning for why the sagging pants ban was not allowed.

It was said that this rule allowed officers to discriminate against young black males even further.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
32479 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:25 am to
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The exact reasoning for why the sagging pants ban was not allowed.


Well...I mean...come on.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117681 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:31 am to
Good on ya.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:34 am to
Nope, sounded the same. Actually led me to ask myself why there wasn't a study concerning these things
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53174 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:38 am to
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Why can't e-cigs be allowed.


Because it'd be ridiculous to ban smoking, but not vaping. For a whole host of reasons. fricking hipsters.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
32479 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:42 am to
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Because it'd be ridiculous to ban smoking, but not vaping. For a whole host of reasons. fricking hipsters.



Neither should be banned.

Posted by redbaron
Member since Aug 2011
707 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:43 am to
So....if I go into a bar and light up a cigarette....if the owner kicks me out IMMEDIATELY, is he still in trouble under the law? What about some of the bigger, open air bars? What is an acceptable time for the bar to remove a smoking patron?

If the smoker won't get popped, why SHOULDN'T he go into a bar and light up. Worst case, he fricks over the bar and gets put on the ban list.
Posted by Yung_Humma
Member since Oct 2013
834 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:46 am to
This post was edited on 2/12/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted by SpiderY2Bannana
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
474 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:55 am to
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I was smoking a cig at UNO yesterday and realized that they had picked up all of the ash trays. When I was done with it, I just threw it in the big pile on the ground next to the building

Smoking bans work so well


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Hammertime


He's right. It's an unintended consequence that can't be legislated against
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84065 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:56 am to
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Nope, sounded the same. Actually led me to ask myself why there wasn't a study concerning these things


You wouldn't call such a study a waste of time and money?
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:01 am to
Smoking shouldn't be banned anyway.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84065 posts
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:02 am to
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Smoking shouldn't be banned anyway.


It isn't. There are still plenty of places to legally smoke.
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