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re: Energy and Transportation: FREE during the 1800s (*Before* Big Oil changed tGame)

Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:13 pm to
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Measurements and mathematics, dipshit.


Aw, that's a shame. All this time you hung in for a decent exchange. You just lost.

Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:13 pm to
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SOMEHOW, it was being done in the first half of the 1800s.

How difficult could it have been?? (UNLESS there's some hidden tech THEN that we don't know about NOW?)


Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
38984 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

You've been "studying" the words, thoughts, theories AND ideas OF OTHERS, right?


which of the assertions you made are your original thoughts, theories, or ideas?
Posted by Metrybaw
Member since Apr 2022
227 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:14 pm to
So we've gone from free energy to flat earth to vaccines.

Next up: tin foil hats and haldol
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46205 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:14 pm to
How in the hell did you graduate high school without an even rudimentary understanding of physics?

Or did you even graduate HS?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:15 pm to
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Aw, that's a shame. All this time you hung in for a decent exchange. You just lost.



You telling me you couldn't figure out how to draw a map by taking measurements and using math?

Sad.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:22 pm to
Ok, kids...the trolling festivities and lawn beer can empties is over.

You'll just have to rely on the usual 2x day method -- your imagination and nightstand paraphernalia.

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30521 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:40 pm to
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SOMEHOW, it was being done in the first half of the 1800s.

How difficult could it have been?? (UNLESS there's some hidden tech THEN that we don't know about NOW?)


Nobody is saying you can't run a car on compressed air. The problem is it remarkably inefficient based on the energy it takes to compress the air, to begin with.

Compressed air is very inefficient to create, bulky to store and is a poor way to store potential energy. Never mind the lengths one has to go to in order to dry that air enough not to corrode the metal pressure vessel.

quote:

You've been "studying" the words, thoughts, theories AND ideas OF OTHERS, right?

You "know" what's IN the book BY the book. "Settle Science" -- is that what your position is?


The neat thing about a science education is you can do experiments to test the validity of various theories and laws. Plus you can see proof of concept in everyday practice.

quote:

Sometime those "laws" claimed by "Settle Science" AREN'T. Remember this; Somebody especially like you never knows quite what OTHERS know. And then things get awkward.


Please do a proof of concept experiment that proves:

K1 + U1 =/ K2 + U2

Nobody can know everything another person knows but you clearly have not shown you understand thermodynamics. This severely impacts your ability to understand the relationship between potential and kinetic energy.



This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 4:00 pm
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:44 pm to
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the trolling festivities and lawn beer can empties is over.


It's not trolling when you don't engage and simply deride something so dumb.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46205 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:47 pm to
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This severely impacts your ability to understand the relationship between potential and kinetic energy.


Potential and kinetic energy are just made up concepts from the O&G industry to keep me from tapping the aether and becoming a wizard.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45571 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:53 pm to
Women didn’t shave their legs or arm pits then either. I don’t want to go back to that world
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:55 pm to
Live look at Liberator strolling through his neighborhood:

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46205 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:57 pm to
Needs more gauges.

Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 4:19 pm to


Have one in the bookcase that my grandmother bought decades ago.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 4:30 pm to
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Posted by GeoSmith
Member since Jun 2021
138 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:32 pm to
Once upon a time Baton Rouge ( like many places) had streetcars. Most generally, streetcar companies where owned or operated by the an electric company.

They were under contract to provide their service for about 5¢ a passenger ( i think) and had to do ALL of the upkeep of the roads they used, even though other cars and trucks used the same roads, with increasing numbers every year.

They were not allowed to charge more. In New Orleans, this eventually led to the streetcar drivers protesting and striking. Legend has it that the PoBoy was created as a cheap meal for these "poor boys" who had little income during this time.

Meanwhile in Baton Rouge in the 1930s, the streetcar line was switching to buses because of this. It was cheaper to switch to buses and so they did. The streetcars were all disposed and destroyed. By 1934, the last streetcar ran in Baton Rouge, never to be seen again.

Posted by threeputtforbogie
Addison, TX
Member since Sep 2017
1008 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:43 pm to
Do you and the flat earth guy hang out?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:45 pm to
Not to argue but the OT has a point. We know there is a 100 year light bulb, I remember Goodyear buying the patent for no wear rubber in the 80s promising longer lasting years, the germans allegedly developed a synthetic gas formula at the end of WW2, etc etc. if someone has a cure for cancer I am sure they would be murdered or be bought out by big pharma. Hell they discovered cure for mot all ulcers 20 years ago and I bet barely anyone on her has ever had it, abs they tried to bury that guy
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

Do you and the flat earth guy hang out?
Liberator is (one of) the flat earth guy(s).
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30521 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:53 pm to
I decided to do some calculation on our compressed air power car.

I used a pressure vessel with 1 cubic meter of volume.
Ambient temp at 80 degrees
The initial pressure in the vessel at 1,000 psi

In isothermic expansion, this gives 30,000kJ of energy.

30,000 kJ of energy is 8.3 kWh is enough energy for a Telas Model 3 to go ~38 miles in ideal conditions

30,000 kj is roughly the energy in 1/4 of a gallon of gasoline. The highest milage gas (non-hybrid) is a 39 mpg combined.

Basically, you need a LARGE pressure vessel and/or very high PSI to begin to have a "normal" range for a car.

One important thing to note is air compressors are VERY inefficient roughly 10% for the better ones but far less for super high pressures like 1,000 PSI and above. So in the hypothetical car if you use a baseline of the model 3 and the air engine being 100% efficient it would go 38 miles BUT you would have to use 300,000 kJ of energy to accomplish this assuming an incredibly efficient compressor capable of 1,000psi (10% efficiency). That would be 83 kWH of energy used to get a car to go 38 miles.


TLDR compressed air cars would be incredibly inefficient and if you can build an air compressor that approaches 20% efficiency you have a multi-billion dollar idea.


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