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Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:13 pm to Liberator
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SOMEHOW, it was being done in the first half of the 1800s.
How difficult could it have been?? (UNLESS there's some hidden tech THEN that we don't know about NOW?)

Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:13 pm to Liberator
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You've been "studying" the words, thoughts, theories AND ideas OF OTHERS, right?
which of the assertions you made are your original thoughts, theories, or ideas?
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:14 pm to beerJeep
So we've gone from free energy to flat earth to vaccines.
Next up: tin foil hats and haldol
Next up: tin foil hats and haldol
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:14 pm to Liberator
How in the hell did you graduate high school without an even rudimentary understanding of physics?
Or did you even graduate HS?
Or did you even graduate HS?
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:15 pm to Liberator
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Aw, that's a shame. All this time you hung in for a decent exchange. You just lost.
You telling me you couldn't figure out how to draw a map by taking measurements and using math?
Sad.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:22 pm to cwill
Ok, kids...the trolling festivities and lawn beer can empties is over.
You'll just have to rely on the usual 2x day method -- your imagination and nightstand paraphernalia.

You'll just have to rely on the usual 2x day method -- your imagination and nightstand paraphernalia.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:40 pm to Liberator
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SOMEHOW, it was being done in the first half of the 1800s.
How difficult could it have been?? (UNLESS there's some hidden tech THEN that we don't know about NOW?)
Nobody is saying you can't run a car on compressed air. The problem is it remarkably inefficient based on the energy it takes to compress the air, to begin with.
Compressed air is very inefficient to create, bulky to store and is a poor way to store potential energy. Never mind the lengths one has to go to in order to dry that air enough not to corrode the metal pressure vessel.
quote:
You've been "studying" the words, thoughts, theories AND ideas OF OTHERS, right?
You "know" what's IN the book BY the book. "Settle Science" -- is that what your position is?
The neat thing about a science education is you can do experiments to test the validity of various theories and laws. Plus you can see proof of concept in everyday practice.
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Sometime those "laws" claimed by "Settle Science" AREN'T. Remember this; Somebody especially like you never knows quite what OTHERS know. And then things get awkward.
Please do a proof of concept experiment that proves:
K1 + U1 =/ K2 + U2
Nobody can know everything another person knows but you clearly have not shown you understand thermodynamics. This severely impacts your ability to understand the relationship between potential and kinetic energy.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:44 pm to Liberator
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the trolling festivities and lawn beer can empties is over.
It's not trolling when you don't engage and simply deride something so dumb.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:47 pm to Obtuse1
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This severely impacts your ability to understand the relationship between potential and kinetic energy.
Potential and kinetic energy are just made up concepts from the O&G industry to keep me from tapping the aether and becoming a wizard.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:53 pm to Liberator
Women didn’t shave their legs or arm pits then either. I don’t want to go back to that world
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:55 pm to WeeWee
Live look at Liberator strolling through his neighborhood:


Posted on 4/29/22 at 4:19 pm to Obtuse1
Have one in the bookcase that my grandmother bought decades ago.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:32 pm to Liberator
Once upon a time Baton Rouge ( like many places) had streetcars. Most generally, streetcar companies where owned or operated by the an electric company.
They were under contract to provide their service for about 5¢ a passenger ( i think) and had to do ALL of the upkeep of the roads they used, even though other cars and trucks used the same roads, with increasing numbers every year.
They were not allowed to charge more. In New Orleans, this eventually led to the streetcar drivers protesting and striking. Legend has it that the PoBoy was created as a cheap meal for these "poor boys" who had little income during this time.
Meanwhile in Baton Rouge in the 1930s, the streetcar line was switching to buses because of this. It was cheaper to switch to buses and so they did. The streetcars were all disposed and destroyed. By 1934, the last streetcar ran in Baton Rouge, never to be seen again.
They were under contract to provide their service for about 5¢ a passenger ( i think) and had to do ALL of the upkeep of the roads they used, even though other cars and trucks used the same roads, with increasing numbers every year.
They were not allowed to charge more. In New Orleans, this eventually led to the streetcar drivers protesting and striking. Legend has it that the PoBoy was created as a cheap meal for these "poor boys" who had little income during this time.
Meanwhile in Baton Rouge in the 1930s, the streetcar line was switching to buses because of this. It was cheaper to switch to buses and so they did. The streetcars were all disposed and destroyed. By 1934, the last streetcar ran in Baton Rouge, never to be seen again.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:43 pm to Liberator
Do you and the flat earth guy hang out?
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:45 pm to Liberator
Not to argue but the OT has a point. We know there is a 100 year light bulb, I remember Goodyear buying the patent for no wear rubber in the 80s promising longer lasting years, the germans allegedly developed a synthetic gas formula at the end of WW2, etc etc. if someone has a cure for cancer I am sure they would be murdered or be bought out by big pharma. Hell they discovered cure for mot all ulcers 20 years ago and I bet barely anyone on her has ever had it, abs they tried to bury that guy
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:49 pm to threeputtforbogie
quote:Liberator is (one of) the flat earth guy(s).
Do you and the flat earth guy hang out?
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:53 pm to Liberator
I decided to do some calculation on our compressed air power car.
I used a pressure vessel with 1 cubic meter of volume.
Ambient temp at 80 degrees
The initial pressure in the vessel at 1,000 psi
In isothermic expansion, this gives 30,000kJ of energy.
30,000 kJ of energy is 8.3 kWh is enough energy for a Telas Model 3 to go ~38 miles in ideal conditions
30,000 kj is roughly the energy in 1/4 of a gallon of gasoline. The highest milage gas (non-hybrid) is a 39 mpg combined.
Basically, you need a LARGE pressure vessel and/or very high PSI to begin to have a "normal" range for a car.
One important thing to note is air compressors are VERY inefficient roughly 10% for the better ones but far less for super high pressures like 1,000 PSI and above. So in the hypothetical car if you use a baseline of the model 3 and the air engine being 100% efficient it would go 38 miles BUT you would have to use 300,000 kJ of energy to accomplish this assuming an incredibly efficient compressor capable of 1,000psi (10% efficiency). That would be 83 kWH of energy used to get a car to go 38 miles.
TLDR compressed air cars would be incredibly inefficient and if you can build an air compressor that approaches 20% efficiency you have a multi-billion dollar idea.
I used a pressure vessel with 1 cubic meter of volume.
Ambient temp at 80 degrees
The initial pressure in the vessel at 1,000 psi
In isothermic expansion, this gives 30,000kJ of energy.
30,000 kJ of energy is 8.3 kWh is enough energy for a Telas Model 3 to go ~38 miles in ideal conditions
30,000 kj is roughly the energy in 1/4 of a gallon of gasoline. The highest milage gas (non-hybrid) is a 39 mpg combined.
Basically, you need a LARGE pressure vessel and/or very high PSI to begin to have a "normal" range for a car.
One important thing to note is air compressors are VERY inefficient roughly 10% for the better ones but far less for super high pressures like 1,000 PSI and above. So in the hypothetical car if you use a baseline of the model 3 and the air engine being 100% efficient it would go 38 miles BUT you would have to use 300,000 kJ of energy to accomplish this assuming an incredibly efficient compressor capable of 1,000psi (10% efficiency). That would be 83 kWH of energy used to get a car to go 38 miles.
TLDR compressed air cars would be incredibly inefficient and if you can build an air compressor that approaches 20% efficiency you have a multi-billion dollar idea.
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