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Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:48 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:48 am
Ironically I had thought about posting this topic yesterday and the whole "Death with Dignity" topic brought it back into my mind. This is kind of an offshoot of "Death with Dignity" with a more personal nature to it.
Obviously suicide is illegal and largely looked down upon in this country. We look at suicide as an ultimately selfish act, that those people aren't thinking about the family and friends they are impacting. I think this viewpoint ironically is far more selfish than the selfish act of suicide but nonetheless this is the main argument against suicide.
When someone commits suicide it's usually for mental health reasons. The individual usually suffers from depression, PTSD, anxiety, bi-polar disorder or other mental health disorders. Either that or they have had such a personal loss (spouse, child, livelihood) that they no longer want to keep living. But what about people who want to commit suicide not simply because of a Mental Health Issue or due to losing someone but because of medical conditions that impact their quality of life?
This is where it gets personal for me. I myself have medical conditions that impact my quality of life. I suffer from high blood pressure which is hereditary and if like my dad will probably lead me to suffering from heart disease. I also suffer from persistent hemorrhoids which needless to say causes occasional bloody stools and general discomfort when going. Gastroenterologist tried the CRH O'Reagan hemorrhoidal banding procedure, didn't work. They ended doing both an Endoscopy and Colonoscopy, not colon cancer, just hemorrhoids and a slight case of GERD. Still, the hemorrhoids are there. I can't even use regular toilet paper anymore. I mostly use baby wipes.
I also suffer from Allergic Asthma but my case is bad enough to where it has made flying difficult the last 2 1/2 years. I've talked to several doctors about it, they think it's all mental. It still scares the heck out of me but the idea of not being able to travel scares me far more.
To emphasize, I am not suicidal, I would never do that to my parents. Now after my parents are gone I guarantee nothing. To me and to many individuals (including many on this board) life is more about quality than quantity. I (and many others) do believe that our quality of life is lessened due to medical conditions.
Should society accept that a lot of people who commit suicide do it not out of selfishness or due to Mental Health Issues but simply to end the pain they suffer from due to Medical Issues? Should the stigma on people wanting to end life due to Medical Issues go away? Should doctors be allowed to help people who have Medical Issues and simply decide to end their own life because they can not experience the life that they truly want?
Obviously suicide is illegal and largely looked down upon in this country. We look at suicide as an ultimately selfish act, that those people aren't thinking about the family and friends they are impacting. I think this viewpoint ironically is far more selfish than the selfish act of suicide but nonetheless this is the main argument against suicide.
When someone commits suicide it's usually for mental health reasons. The individual usually suffers from depression, PTSD, anxiety, bi-polar disorder or other mental health disorders. Either that or they have had such a personal loss (spouse, child, livelihood) that they no longer want to keep living. But what about people who want to commit suicide not simply because of a Mental Health Issue or due to losing someone but because of medical conditions that impact their quality of life?
This is where it gets personal for me. I myself have medical conditions that impact my quality of life. I suffer from high blood pressure which is hereditary and if like my dad will probably lead me to suffering from heart disease. I also suffer from persistent hemorrhoids which needless to say causes occasional bloody stools and general discomfort when going. Gastroenterologist tried the CRH O'Reagan hemorrhoidal banding procedure, didn't work. They ended doing both an Endoscopy and Colonoscopy, not colon cancer, just hemorrhoids and a slight case of GERD. Still, the hemorrhoids are there. I can't even use regular toilet paper anymore. I mostly use baby wipes.
I also suffer from Allergic Asthma but my case is bad enough to where it has made flying difficult the last 2 1/2 years. I've talked to several doctors about it, they think it's all mental. It still scares the heck out of me but the idea of not being able to travel scares me far more.
To emphasize, I am not suicidal, I would never do that to my parents. Now after my parents are gone I guarantee nothing. To me and to many individuals (including many on this board) life is more about quality than quantity. I (and many others) do believe that our quality of life is lessened due to medical conditions.
Should society accept that a lot of people who commit suicide do it not out of selfishness or due to Mental Health Issues but simply to end the pain they suffer from due to Medical Issues? Should the stigma on people wanting to end life due to Medical Issues go away? Should doctors be allowed to help people who have Medical Issues and simply decide to end their own life because they can not experience the life that they truly want?
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:52 am to Saints83
You need to get out and volunteer somewhere.
It will give you a sense of self worth, plus you’ll help out someone in need.
Volunteer at a soup kitchen, an animal shelter, a school, anything
It will give you a sense of self worth, plus you’ll help out someone in need.
Volunteer at a soup kitchen, an animal shelter, a school, anything
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:54 am to Saints83
Can I ask how old you are?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:54 am to Saints83
I just found out this morning someone I knew just killed herself. She was 29.
Hasn't really sunk in, I dont know all the details that led up, or exactly what happened. But reading an obituary and seeing 2 dates and a picture really bugs me in knowing that there will never be another conversation, its all final.
Eta
This is bothering me more today. I've seen this too much, so many people I've been close to never made it past their 20s.
And here I am, and when I tell stories most of the people in my stories are dead. Its like I'm in my 80s or im years into some apocalypse..there is so much fricking sadness and hurt and I can't ever do anything about it for anyone..all I can do is make fricking songs and never have the right words.
I feel guilty over having everything many people want in life, and im not even close to 100% happy either. Horribly guilty over that.
Hasn't really sunk in, I dont know all the details that led up, or exactly what happened. But reading an obituary and seeing 2 dates and a picture really bugs me in knowing that there will never be another conversation, its all final.
Eta
This is bothering me more today. I've seen this too much, so many people I've been close to never made it past their 20s.
And here I am, and when I tell stories most of the people in my stories are dead. Its like I'm in my 80s or im years into some apocalypse..there is so much fricking sadness and hurt and I can't ever do anything about it for anyone..all I can do is make fricking songs and never have the right words.
I feel guilty over having everything many people want in life, and im not even close to 100% happy either. Horribly guilty over that.
This post was edited on 11/28/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:54 am to Saints83
quote:is it though?
Obviously suicide is illegal
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:55 am to Sebastian
quote:
Can I ask how old you are?
I'm 37 and I can definitely say that medically my best years are behind me.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:56 am to Saints83
no, medical advances occur everyday, and just because there is no effective treatment for you today, doesn't mean there won't be one tomorrow.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:56 am to Saints83
You need to find God to help get those thoughts outta your head. You need peace and an understanding of life. People that commit suicide are not going to end their pain, they are just going to further it in the next life
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:57 am to Saints83
I think there are a lot of medical technologies on the horizon that would blownyour mind but nothing you said sounds overly debilitating enough to warrant suicide. Life is short enough already.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:58 am to OWLFAN86
quote:
is it though?
Can someone go to a doctor/therapist/psychiatrist and tell them they're going to end it without ending up in the psychiatric ward of a hospital against their will for at least 3 days?
Yeah I would still say it's illegal. Plus even if you do succeed in doing it you can't do it with dignity or without pain. The only options are largely shooting yourself, hanging yourself or attempting to OD on drugs. That's why a lot of us push Death with Dignity. There should be a way for people who truly to end it to be able to do it in peace and with as little pain as possible.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:58 am to Saints83
In don’t think it should be accepted wholesale. People who think there is no other way need help to find a way. Especially so young.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:59 am to Saints83
quote:you again !!!!!
I also suffer from Allergic Asthma but my case is bad enough to where it has made flying difficult the last 2 1/2 years. I've talked to several doctors about it, they think it's all mental. It still scares the heck out of me but the idea of not being able to travel scares me far more.
you're the biggest pussy
wah i cant fly on a plane....travel is difficult
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:59 am to Saints83
frick. This guy again. This guy (and his alters) starts this exact same thread every 6 months.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:59 am to Saints83
You're considering suicide as your best long-term option because you have high blood pressure and your butt hurts?!?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:59 am to Saints83
quote:
Yeah I would still say it's illegal. Plus even if you do succeed in doing it you can't do it with dignity or without pain. The only options are largely shooting yourself, hanging yourself or attempting to OD on drugs. That's why a lot of us push Death with Dignity. There should be a way for people who truly to end it to be able to do it in peace and with as little pain as possible.
FWIW, even with current Death with Dignity laws you likely wouldn't qualify because there's not really anything listed in your medical issues that would be considered terminal and/or debilitating to the degree in which psychologically warrants assisted death.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:00 am to LSURussian
quote:it blows my mind that no one else seems to notice that he starts these threads over and over. It's like bizarro world.
You're considering suicide as your best long-term option because you have high blood pressure and your butt hurts?!?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:01 am to Saints83
quote:find a law Stateside that says a person that commits suicide will be charged
Yeah I would still say it's illegal.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:02 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:
I think there are a lot of medical technologies on the horizon that would blownyour mind but nothing you said sounds overly debilitating enough to warrant suicide. Life is short enough already.
You're right that individually none of them are overly debilitating. Together though they definitely make life more challenging.
The thing that gets me is flying. I am honestly concerned that anytime I fly could be the next time I suffocate on a plane and die. I still remember in 2018 when I was on a flight, my throat dried out, I got panicky and started having trouble breathing. Calmed down after a few minutes but for a few minutes there I thought I would have to get a flight attendant to see if there was a doctor on board. The doctors I've talked to about it think I suffered an anxiety attack which caused the asthma to flare up. Gave me 0.25mg of Xanax and 50mg Prednisone to take before flying. Every flight past that still worries me though.
Not only that but I usually cough on flight occasionally. With Covid-19 now I'm sure everyone would look at me and assume I have it. Wearing a mask on a plane with Asthma isn't going to make flying any more fun for me.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:02 am to Saints83
quote:
I'm 37 and I can definitely say that medically my best years are behind me.
You don't know shite. There's a lot of crazy shite being developed everyday.
We just had a vaccine created in a single year, the fastest ever, where the previous record was 4 years.
Stop with the negativity. Negative thoughts can make your issues significantly worse. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and start living.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:02 am to Saints83
quote:hood rat shite
suicide is illegal
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