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Unless you have a terminal illness I’d say you need some help. Someone at 37 should t even be thinking about suicide.
Now I am 100% supportive of assisted suicide as long as the person has some sort of terminal illness or is confined to a nursing home or something for the rest of their life and choose they are ready to check out.
What happened to my body, my rights? In your opinion why should someone have to have a terminal illness to end their own life?
You're right, no one at 37 should be considering suicide. My life should be just started but I feel like its ending because I know my health will only get worse as I get older. Sadly I'll admit I think about suicide in some form almost every day. I just blame it on bad genetics.
Again I would never do it as long as my mom is alive (me, my sister and her nieces are all she has and she would be inconsolable without me) but is it so wrong to feel like you've been dealt a bad hand? Very few people in their 30s deal with these issues. Find me another person in their 30s who's body seems to want to reject flying?
I believe in reincarnation and my big hope is that in the next life karma will help me out and I'll get a really good body. If only we could find a way to transfer consciousness from a defective body to a healthy body. That would truly be the most amazing achievement in the history of mankind.
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re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 11:34 am to Goldrush25
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Go see a psychiatrist pronto.
Unfortunately I can't. Due to our messed up health care system in this country my medical insurance was tied to my employer who laid me and a few thousand other people off in October. I'm still on their insurance but only until the end of the year, then I'm completely uninsured.
re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 11:30 am to tiggerthetooth
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It's called a panic attack which is triggered by the mental disorder known as "anxiety ".
And the fact that my Asthma acted up? I at least give my doctor credit for giving me the 0.25mg Xanax but I feel like I need a heavier dose to truly have any chance of being comfortable flying again.
You all are making fun of me but not even trying to give me any real solutions. Heck if any of you all were doctors I would gladly pay for a nice weekend trip somewhere if you would just observe me flying to/from somewhere and give me a medical diagnoses. Sadly I can't get any of my doctors to agree to it.
re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 11:26 am to Sneaky__Sally
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This area is a lot more difficult and nuanced than the type my thread was about - which was more along the lines of clearly a person would be dying soon and so they choose to end on their own terms instead of having months in pain, not enjoying life, burning through their entire life savings on in home hospice that a person may have liked to give to their children if possible, etc.
My gut and the purely reasonable and logical part of my mind says that yes, any person should be allowed to make that decision but as a society we need to protect that person from rash, short decisions that result in a suicide by someone who may not have made the decision if they were able to get through a period of struggle.
I think you should do something where you sort of classify it and have different benchmarks for each:
(A) is people who have a terminal, painful illness and just don't want the pain of the final months, etc. - and this benchmark is essentially just them being of sound enough mind to understand and make the decision to end it.
(B) would be people who have a painful illness that really hurts quality of life but isn't terminal. I find it difficult to think of what sort of benchmarks they should have, I think one of those should be time, almost like a waiting period while seeing a psychologist or whatever. Honestly, I think someone in this situation should have this option, it makes sense to me but i am still very hesitant on how to make it work correctly though.
And since we went there we also technically should think about
(C) someone simply suffering some mental type ailments, PTSD, past trauma, etc. To me, a person suffering from long term, crippling depression or whatever where they have very few good days and just don't want to go on should have that option theoretically. This is the one that i don't see how we could craft appropriate checks and all to make it viable, but theoretically, I believe a person should have that option to just move on and see what is out there after this life if they so choose.
Sally I agree that it's a difficult topic to talk about but it's one that we as a Nation need to have a conversation about. I think if there's one area where the U.S. truly does fail it's in Mental Health, End of Life care and Death with Dignity.
I agree that for it to work you would need to clarify certain conditions that would automatically qualify for Death with Dignity. Stuff like Cancer, Tumors, ALS, Coronary Artery Disease, Parkinson's etc. Diseases that guarantee death and would lead the person to be in pain the last few months of their life. This should be automatic approval of Death with Dignity, no questions.
The other option, like you mentioned, would be diseases that aren't terminal but that hurt qualify of life. That is the group I would put myself into. I think what would need to happen in this group is that you would need at least 3 doctors to sign off that your condition significantly affects your quality of life and that there is no new technology or treatments coming along in the next 5 years that would significantly improve your condition. If not 3 doctors then at least 2 doctors, say your Primary Care Physician and then a Specialist that covers your disease.
As for Mental Health that is significantly more difficult as I think the person should have to approve that they are of sound mind. In the first two groups there wouldn't be much debate that the person is in sound mind and judgement. But I do agree with you that if someone has crippling PTSD, Depression, Anxiety, Trauma, etc. that Death with Dignity should be available to them. The question would be how do you determine that the person is legally competent to make the decision?
re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 11:18 am to tiggerthetooth
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I agree with the multiple doctors. You're convincing yourself its something else.
Sure. The fact that for several minutes I felt like I was having trouble breathing on an airplane with no way out and no way to get help was purely my imagination.
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
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A friend of my sister's did that not too long ago. He had an inoperable brain tumor and was wasting away, so he decided on an assisted suicide to end his suffering.
He lived in Canada, so I don't know what the restrictions are there, but I know it's much harder to find states in the US where it is legal. I think Oregon is one of them but there aren't many.
For the record, I would at least consider it if I were terminally ill. I hope to God I never have to make that decision, but if I"m going to die anyway, I want to decide how I go out.
Great example and I'd love to see anyone justify why someone with an inoperable brain tumor who is going to die shouldn't be allowed to end it peacefully and painlessly on their terms.
He was just lucky he was in an area that believes in Death with Dignity instead of spending your last moments gasping for air in utter pain.
But think about this, if he was in most of the U.S. he wouldn't have had that option. Why should geographical and artificial borders play a role on if someone can be an adult and decide to end their life with dignity or not?
Thank you for sharing your story, I know it must have been an incredibly difficult situation.
re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 11:13 am to tiggerthetooth
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So you can't travel now because coronavirus has flipped your world upside down. Welcome to the party pal. You think you're the only one suffering right now? Look around. shite isn't good worldwide.
You need a major perspective change dude.
You misunderstood me. I've actually done a few fun road trips since Covid-19 started. Traveled as much this year (at least domestically) as I ever have.
No I can't travel because I could get on a plane and with my previous experience could potentially die. I've tried going to several different doctors and no one would take it seriously, said it was mental. I even offered an all expense paid weekend trip just so he would fly to/from with me and could see what's going on with my body when I fly and how to fix it. It's become incredibly frustrating.
Covid-19 is just going to make it that much worse because of having to wear a mask the whole flight and everyone giving me the stink eye if I cough even once.
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I feel like it legit hurts the idea of work/life balance by removing the physical/psychological barrier between where work is and where your home life is
I can see this and this is definitely why if I did Remote Work/Work From Home I would set up a separate office space that would only be used for work. That way you leave that room and work stays there.
re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 11:07 am to LSURussian
Do you all not at least agree though that someone ending their life over legitimate Medical Issues that cause decreased Quality of Life is different than someone who ends their life due to Mental Health Issues or other traumas that could potentially cloud their judgement?
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find a law Stateside that says a person that commits suicide will be charged
Again I would argue it's illegal until someone can go to a doctor/therapist/psychiatrist, be honest about what they're feeling and not have to risk being incarcerated against their will. The reality is there is still too much of a stigma against people suffering from mental health and regular health issues.
re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 11:02 am to tiggerthetooth
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I think there are a lot of medical technologies on the horizon that would blownyour mind but nothing you said sounds overly debilitating enough to warrant suicide. Life is short enough already.
You're right that individually none of them are overly debilitating. Together though they definitely make life more challenging.
The thing that gets me is flying. I am honestly concerned that anytime I fly could be the next time I suffocate on a plane and die. I still remember in 2018 when I was on a flight, my throat dried out, I got panicky and started having trouble breathing. Calmed down after a few minutes but for a few minutes there I thought I would have to get a flight attendant to see if there was a doctor on board. The doctors I've talked to about it think I suffered an anxiety attack which caused the asthma to flare up. Gave me 0.25mg of Xanax and 50mg Prednisone to take before flying. Every flight past that still worries me though.
Not only that but I usually cough on flight occasionally. With Covid-19 now I'm sure everyone would look at me and assume I have it. Wearing a mask on a plane with Asthma isn't going to make flying any more fun for me.
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is it though?
Can someone go to a doctor/therapist/psychiatrist and tell them they're going to end it without ending up in the psychiatric ward of a hospital against their will for at least 3 days?
Yeah I would still say it's illegal. Plus even if you do succeed in doing it you can't do it with dignity or without pain. The only options are largely shooting yourself, hanging yourself or attempting to OD on drugs. That's why a lot of us push Death with Dignity. There should be a way for people who truly to end it to be able to do it in peace and with as little pain as possible.
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Can I ask how old you are?
I'm 37 and I can definitely say that medically my best years are behind me.
re: Thoughts on Remote Work/Work From Home Long Term?
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 10:52 am to Yeti_Chaser
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Social interaction can easily be replaced by eliminating the 3-4 hours a day you used to spend commuting, getting dressed, meal prepping, dicking off at the water cooler with coworkers, scrolling through TD at work, etc. and replacing it with joining a club, gym, rec league, organization etc in the afternoons. The people who say they miss social interaction are just being lazy. The reality is 99% of us have plenty of downtime during the work day and if you're at home you can move on to other things instead of scrolling TD
Completely agree with this. I've always been the type to try to keep work/life separate. I see my coworkers enough at work, I don't want to go out and have drinks with them. Ironically Remote Work or Work From Home would probably make me more willing to have the occasional drink with coworkers.
But to me it shows that too many people's social life revolves around work. There are plenty of other ways to get social interaction outside of the office. You are there to work and get the job done, not to make friends.
Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 10:48 am
Ironically I had thought about posting this topic yesterday and the whole "Death with Dignity" topic brought it back into my mind. This is kind of an offshoot of "Death with Dignity" with a more personal nature to it.
Obviously suicide is illegal and largely looked down upon in this country. We look at suicide as an ultimately selfish act, that those people aren't thinking about the family and friends they are impacting. I think this viewpoint ironically is far more selfish than the selfish act of suicide but nonetheless this is the main argument against suicide.
When someone commits suicide it's usually for mental health reasons. The individual usually suffers from depression, PTSD, anxiety, bi-polar disorder or other mental health disorders. Either that or they have had such a personal loss (spouse, child, livelihood) that they no longer want to keep living. But what about people who want to commit suicide not simply because of a Mental Health Issue or due to losing someone but because of medical conditions that impact their quality of life?
This is where it gets personal for me. I myself have medical conditions that impact my quality of life. I suffer from high blood pressure which is hereditary and if like my dad will probably lead me to suffering from heart disease. I also suffer from persistent hemorrhoids which needless to say causes occasional bloody stools and general discomfort when going. Gastroenterologist tried the CRH O'Reagan hemorrhoidal banding procedure, didn't work. They ended doing both an Endoscopy and Colonoscopy, not colon cancer, just hemorrhoids and a slight case of GERD. Still, the hemorrhoids are there. I can't even use regular toilet paper anymore. I mostly use baby wipes.
I also suffer from Allergic Asthma but my case is bad enough to where it has made flying difficult the last 2 1/2 years. I've talked to several doctors about it, they think it's all mental. It still scares the heck out of me but the idea of not being able to travel scares me far more.
To emphasize, I am not suicidal, I would never do that to my parents. Now after my parents are gone I guarantee nothing. To me and to many individuals (including many on this board) life is more about quality than quantity. I (and many others) do believe that our quality of life is lessened due to medical conditions.
Should society accept that a lot of people who commit suicide do it not out of selfishness or due to Mental Health Issues but simply to end the pain they suffer from due to Medical Issues? Should the stigma on people wanting to end life due to Medical Issues go away? Should doctors be allowed to help people who have Medical Issues and simply decide to end their own life because they can not experience the life that they truly want?
Obviously suicide is illegal and largely looked down upon in this country. We look at suicide as an ultimately selfish act, that those people aren't thinking about the family and friends they are impacting. I think this viewpoint ironically is far more selfish than the selfish act of suicide but nonetheless this is the main argument against suicide.
When someone commits suicide it's usually for mental health reasons. The individual usually suffers from depression, PTSD, anxiety, bi-polar disorder or other mental health disorders. Either that or they have had such a personal loss (spouse, child, livelihood) that they no longer want to keep living. But what about people who want to commit suicide not simply because of a Mental Health Issue or due to losing someone but because of medical conditions that impact their quality of life?
This is where it gets personal for me. I myself have medical conditions that impact my quality of life. I suffer from high blood pressure which is hereditary and if like my dad will probably lead me to suffering from heart disease. I also suffer from persistent hemorrhoids which needless to say causes occasional bloody stools and general discomfort when going. Gastroenterologist tried the CRH O'Reagan hemorrhoidal banding procedure, didn't work. They ended doing both an Endoscopy and Colonoscopy, not colon cancer, just hemorrhoids and a slight case of GERD. Still, the hemorrhoids are there. I can't even use regular toilet paper anymore. I mostly use baby wipes.
I also suffer from Allergic Asthma but my case is bad enough to where it has made flying difficult the last 2 1/2 years. I've talked to several doctors about it, they think it's all mental. It still scares the heck out of me but the idea of not being able to travel scares me far more.
To emphasize, I am not suicidal, I would never do that to my parents. Now after my parents are gone I guarantee nothing. To me and to many individuals (including many on this board) life is more about quality than quantity. I (and many others) do believe that our quality of life is lessened due to medical conditions.
Should society accept that a lot of people who commit suicide do it not out of selfishness or due to Mental Health Issues but simply to end the pain they suffer from due to Medical Issues? Should the stigma on people wanting to end life due to Medical Issues go away? Should doctors be allowed to help people who have Medical Issues and simply decide to end their own life because they can not experience the life that they truly want?
re: Thoughts on Remote Work/Work From Home Long Term?
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 10:02 am to shspanthers
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I think it depends on the person. If you're an extrovert and live by yourself, it's going to be gross. For me living alone and working all day from the house and then being here all evening gets old. I'm fairly introverted, but I have definitely felt starved for interaction this year. I've also never worked full-time from home, so there was always a balance before. The mental health issue is real, too. If you have family, or are even married, it's got to be much, much easier.
I haven't been working (furloughed since beginning of May, laid off near the end of October) much this year but I do agree with you. Even though I consider myself a big introvert I have definitely been starved for interaction at times. Have you done anything to help with the isolation/loneliness?
re: Thoughts on Remote Work/Work From Home Long Term?
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 10:00 am to HoustonChick86
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Sometimes it can be a little odd being on all different time zones, but I have just adjusted my hours so I work from like 10-7. But its nice being able to run errands during the day. They are really flexible as long as work gets done. I don't think I could return to a regular office. Somedays I do work like 15 hours, but if its slow another day I don't feel bad taking a break and not being stuck at a desk until 5.
To me this is why I think Remote Work/WFH works. You work and get your projects/tasks/e-mails done. In my old job it was the old "you have to stay until 5" mentality. While it didn't happen a ton there were definitely days where I was done with my work by 3:30 or 4:00 and literally just twiddling my thumb or playing games until 5:00, just because I had to. I don't like the idea of going back to an office and being figuratively chained to the desk.
re: Thoughts on Remote Work/Work From Home Long Term?
Posted by Saints83 on 11/27/20 at 9:51 am to themasterpater
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I get it, but have you ever tried nomad life? Fun at first, feel like a ghost after a while. Takes a certain type, nothing wrong with it. I think the value would be more in visiting CA or NY or wherever for a week or two without having to take vacay, but after a while you will probably want some form of a home base.
In some ways the whole "feel like a ghost" mentality both excites and worries me. I definitely think the nomad lifestyle leads you more likely to just feel forgotten but I think there's something invigorating about it. Obviously as someone with a traditional job I never had the opportunity to even think about living a nomad lifestyle but Covid-19 has potentially provided that opportunity.
I'm an extreme introvert who doesn't open up to people unless I know and trust them. Then I can talk someone's ear off, lol. I've never been the type who needed a big family or a huge friend group. I'm naturally a loner by heart. I will say I would like to get married at some point but I've also accepted that it will probably never happen. Being a loner doesn't help you meet women and I've never been much of a ladies man to begin with.
I'm not saying I would do the whole nomad thing year around or for the rest of my life. But for a few years at least I think it would be invigorating.
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I'm someone who can get my work done in 1/2 of the working day. I love work from home but my office has us back in-person starting Dec 7th.
I'm sorry to hear that. Your company isn't offering any options? Even a hybrid option where you work some days in the office and some days WFH?
I think a lot of companies don't realize how much WFH has changed the employee mentality. I think companies like yours that don't try to accommodate that will end up losing a lot of talent.
Have you considered looking at new opportunities?
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How did he kept his same zip code???
Why wouldn't he? It's a cell number, not a land line. I know someone else who moved from New Mexico to NYC to work as a flight attendant at Delta and she still has her original cell number with her New Mexico zip code.
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I absolutely hate it. I’m a social person and derived some satisfaction from going into an nice office every day, seek g pretty professional woman in the cafeteria even though I rarely talked to them, meeting my new teammates and shaking their hands when they started.
All of that is gone. I’m single with no kids, so I home alone. I get off work and I walk to the couch but it takes awhile to truly feel like I’m off work. I go for a long walk after work to ease the transition between work time and off time but it took awhile for me to incorporate that into being more than a fake it till ya make thing.
It did allow me to move cities which is something I couldn’t do before and was stuck in a town I hated. For my new job, I’m hoping it will be from an office or at least have a plan to get back to the office. As of now and my current employer, we’ll likely always be working from home from here on out.
We did a survey recently and I’m very much in the minority though. 80% love WFH.
I could definitely see where WFH would pretty much eradicate the lines between work and personal life. And I could see it being bad in the ways where a manager or executive could call you asking you to look at something knowing your laptop is right there.
I don't have a big condo so when I was home and not doing remote work I would probably have to invest in converting a spare bedroom in a work office or in the very least significantly upgrading the desk in my living room.
Like you I am also single with no kids. The whole Covid-19 crisis has been a blessing and a curse. I'm the type who can easily zone out on the world for a few days but now even I've started to miss social interaction (in general, not work) and I'll admit I do worry that my social skills have started to degrade a little.
I think the WFH experience for single people with no kids is radically different than the WFH experience for married people and/or people with kids.
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