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re: End of a species? The last Northern White Rhino male has died; only 2 females remain

Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:29 am to
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:29 am to
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How the hell are you going to “put to sleep” the last male of an entire damn species?





It was old, dying and suffering?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40594 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:31 am to
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they sawed off all his horns so he would be less desirable to poach.


Unfortunately I believe this still leaves enough horn for them to be valuable.

However another positive side effect short term is the removal of horns works to lower their use against other rhinos in the wild, lessening injuries. But of course one could imagine that can create long term behavior changes in the species.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:33 am to
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Could have been another male rhino that has since died.


I think it was. From the San Diego Zoo or something.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175883 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:34 am to
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I'd say that's pretty much a certainty with no males left

No.. gays can have babies. At least in the US.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21624 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:37 am to
Hunting White Rhino’s In the Sudan is a niggardly act!
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37747 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:09 am to
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People suck


like the ones who were standing guard over him? Or the people who spent their lives or money trying to save them?

Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:15 am to
As a lover of all animals (except for pitbulls) this will sound crazy, but if we wanted to preserve these animals we should have made the sale of their horns legal.

It would have created a huge incentive for private ownership and breeding programs due to the profitability of their horns.

This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:56 am
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
65338 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:19 am to
Why not tranq them and cut off the end of the horn.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:24 am to
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Why not tranq them and cut off the end of the horn.




That's what they're doing. They've had mixed results with various rhino species.

Use the market to create an incentive for people to want to protect and breed the animals.
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:25 am to
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There are plenty of other options if you are into looking at animals. The lovable hippo for instance. All the size of a rhino without the dangerous horn.
i hope this is sarcasm

hard to tell
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72255 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:25 am to
I don’t understand the inconsistency of conservationists. On the one hand they claim to beleive in the science of evolution. But on the other hand they try to stop evolution from doing its job.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:31 am to
From the World Wildlife Foundation:
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The gestation period is approximately 16 months with a period of 2-3 years between calves.

You can't breed them because they can barely breed themselves.
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
38952 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:32 am to
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I don’t understand the inconsistency of conservationists. On the one hand they claim to beleive in the science of evolution. But on the other hand they try to stop evolution from doing its job.


do you consider poachers to be part of evolution?
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
38952 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:35 am to
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Why not tranq them and cut off the end of the horn.


They've been doing this... but it reduces the animal's ability to defend itself against natural predators. I did read a pretty cool article about how they're using the same type of dye that banks use for stolen money to tint the horns (and also elephant tusks) to hopefully make them undesirable to poachers.
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10782 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:35 am to
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Unfortunately I believe this still leaves enough horn for them to be valuable.

However another positive side effect short term is the removal of horns works to lower their use against other rhinos in the wild, lessening injuries. But of course one could imagine that can create long term behavior changes in the species.


one trip to africa and becomes the rhino expert.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72255 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:44 am to
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I don’t understand the inconsistency of conservationists. On the one hand they claim to beleive in the science of evolution. But on the other hand they try to stop evolution from doing its job.


do you consider poachers to be part of evolution?


If you follow the logic of evolution, namely that the most “fit” survive, then yes. Science teaches we are animals that evolve just as all other species evolve. If an animal can adapt to the current apex predator on the planet, which is currently us, then they can survive to pass on their genes. If an animal can not adapt to the human apex predator, then, according to evolution, that species must go extinct to make way for others who can adapt.


Like I said. Either we beleive in evolution or we don’t. Which is it?
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 9:46 am
Posted by LCA131
Home of the Fake Sig lines
Member since Feb 2008
76550 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:45 am to
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They think rhino tusks have some magical elixir that will make their dicks bigger


A friend wants to know if there is ANY credibility to this.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:45 am to
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You can't breed them because they can barely breed themselves.



One of the dumbest things I've ever read. The average gestation period of the African elephant is 22 months. Females produce calves at intervals of 2.5 - 9 years (usually about 5 years).

Can they also "barely breed themselves?"

I'm not suggesting they be held captive for breeding. What I'm suggesting is that private ownership (on large areas of land) would be incentivized through their being so valuable. This would promote increased natural breeding.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:47 am to
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They've been doing this... but it reduces the animal's ability to defend itself against natural predators.


They should replace what they cut off with a prosthetic horn. Heck, make it bionic. Put a camera in it. There's all sorts of things they could do. Save the Rhino, learn about the species, make it shoot lasers much like drones and zap poachers from far away.

I'm mostly being sarcastic.

Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23419 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:52 am to
My understanding is this 'northern' white rhino species is basically a made up liberal species just to push their agenda. I'm not trying to be policital here, but this 'northern' species is not any different than the southern white rhino except for where they lived and evolved.

It's like saying the deer of Alabama are extinct and a different deer than Georgia deer. Yes they are technically different genetically, but really not.

Now poaching is not cool and this situation is still a problem, but I'm just saying we really aren't losing a ton here.
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