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re: Elon Mush wants to double H1b visas
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:28 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:28 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Please stay there. It’s like a modern day e insane asylum
I notice you stay here with the soys.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:29 am to Bunk Moreland
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Goldennugget basically says it’s a dot monopoly on tech jobs in DFW.
It's like any other insular group. In a vacuum I don't even blame them, we're debating being able to do the same thing they already do.
The difference is, we make ourselves feel bad about it here and get into grand fights about how we're all racist for wanting to live and work with like-minded westerners, and then we import folks who do to the same thing for their own tribes earnestly and without hesitation and to our own detriment.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:30 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I googled multiple sources and the 65,000 number was a unanimous reference point. If that is wrong, then i will happily correct it. Please cite your source.
There are various loopholes that allow this number to be exceeded.
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As far as them being vetted (or not vetted) are you saying that Google, Microsoft, etc., are hiring people with no interview, no paperwork, no documentation, etc? Just unnamed, undocumented drones?
Here is how it works - its a long read, but its 100% on the nose:
1) Sourcing Talent- Big companies like Google and Meta have the resources to go and actually pluck out the ACTUAL best talent from these countries, and it’s not hard for them to attract those applicants either because they have the brand recognition. All the best want to work for the best. This isn’t necessarily the problem. The problem is all the no name consultancies and mid size/small size consultancies. They can petition for H1B’s too. How are they sourcing them? Well, they (usually run by Indians) just find a guy from India through their network…who’s willing to work for them and come to America. That’s it. They’ll make sure they have some kind of Bachelors or Masters from some college out there and have the aptitude to learn and understand software that’s it. They aren’t actually “geniuses” or anything like that. They are just willing to work and can learn to “talk the talk” quickly.
2) Importation- once the prospective worker agrees, the consultancy petitions the American government (USCIS) on their behalf, saying they tried to recruit for the job (job doesn’t exist) in America and couldn’t find anyone, that’s why they need to bring this guy. Key part of this is that the visa is tied to the employer, so if the employer drops the worker, worker has to go back. He can’t just find another job. This is the indentured servitude model.
3) The Gambit- the consultancy makes sure the guy speak English, and that’s really it. USCIS can’t actually vet the workers on the knowledge they claim they have, especially a vast and sophisticated field like software. USCIS doesn’t actually have a way to tell if someone is lying about their skills or not. All they have to do is convince the USCIS that they can speak English so they can come and immediately start working here.
4) The Actual Job- once they get the petition for visa approved and they come here, they find out (or already know) they actually don’t have a job here yet. The consultancy now tries to find Corp to Corp contract gigs for the worker. That’s if they actually know the tech and they’re not faking. If they are faking their skills, another workflow is initiated.
5) Training Day (or months) - the fakers are trained for up to 3-4 months in a software that’s marketable and fetch a good hourly contract rate. Basically a coding Bootcamp style program. They go from zero to superficial knowledge in the tech, just enough to pass an interview with a potential client.
6) Sell the fake - after training the fake for 3-4 months, the fake is provided with a fake resume claiming 7-8 years of experience. Why? Because that’s how much experience is needed to demand a minimum of $50 per hour on a contract. Does it work? Duh. These workers trained for 3-4 months routinely fool interviewers looking for 7-8 years experience.
7) The Split- once the job and rate is secured, the consultancy bills at $50 per hour and pays the actual worker the minimum (about $27.50) an hour, and the consultancy pockets the difference. Imagine a 100 H1Bs on a roster doing this for you.
Does this sound like fraud? Well that’s because it is, from beginning to end.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:31 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I’m not sure that’s totally true. Illegal immigrants fill a void American workers don’t want. H1B’s are taking high paying jobs straight out of Americans hands. They’re both important in different ways
False
It isn’t that Americans do not WANT said jobs.
It’s that said jobs pay a very very low wage that only illegal immigrants will take them.
It is a self feeding cycle.
Farmer can pay an illegal $3 an hour to pick oranges. He would have to pay an American $8.
So he pays the illegal.
Then suddenly the American citizen is unemployed and yet the illegal immigrant IS employed.
The system exploits the wave of illegals to increase profits. At the expense of the well being of the legal citizenry.
It isn’t that American turn up their nose at these jobs. They WANT jobs. They just mainly can’t compete with illegals who will race to the bottom of wages so they can simply survive.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:32 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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As far as them being vetted (or not vetted) are you saying that Google, Microsoft, etc., are hiring people with no interview, no paperwork, no documentation, etc? Just unnamed, undocumented drones?
Sponsored Indian interviews another sponsored Indian. It’s not that hard to understand.
To put it on your level, old baw from Breaux Bridge interviews his cousin and some yankee for an open operator job. Who’s he going to hire?
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:32 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Illegal immigrants fill a void American workers don’t want.
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H1B’s are taking high paying jobs straight out of Americans hands.
Jobs are jobs. People want them if the pay is good enough. Both of your examples above reflect immigrants holding down wages.
Both would be solved by severe immigration restrictions.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I notice you stay here with the soys.
Yes, please don’t stay around too long or our gayness and populism will rub off on you
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:33 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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our gayness and populism
You were really cursed...werent you?
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:34 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I figured this was gonna happen because jd Vance has a jeet wife
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:35 am to Delacroix22
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It isn’t that American turn up their nose at these jobs. They WANT jobs.
You’re saying two different things here
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:37 am to Pettifogger
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Second, I think the starting question is whether America should be for Americans, or whether we have some larger/broader/non-nationalist duty to unknown people elsewhere. Because that later concept is certainly baked into our current national thought process and a huge swath of reasonable Americans get uncomfortable simply talking about the idea that it's ok to prioritize and desire community with people of your own tribe/faith/etc. For 50+ years we've worked into the national narrative that such thinking is backwards, regressive, racist, etc. - it's not. It's innate. It's what most of the world does, it's what almost the entirety of human history has practiced.
This right here.
I would argue the mission of the DOE, especially under democrats, is to "dumb down" Americans to promote this idea we need to import talent as we do not have enough of our own.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:41 am to goldennugget
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Here is how it works - its a long read, but its 100% on the nose:
That doesn't disproved anything I posted. When I say "vetted" I am not talking about professional aptitude. I am referring to the bare minimum acceptable levels to living in this country: employable skills, job prospects, lack of criminal background, etc.
It appears these H1B applicants meet these standards. Compared to the illegals crossing the border, they undergo relative stringent vetting.
And regarding the 65,000 number. Perhaps it is bigger due to loopholes. But even if it is double, it's a small number.
And repeating: I'm against it. I'm just against the actual illegals more. They are more harmful to the country, and their numbers are millions more.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:44 am to Delacroix22
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Every race is allowed a region or country that is theirs and is respected as such.
No guilt beat into them from a young age based on their skin color.
No teachings that diversity is a strength.
No rhetoric that they’re racist if they want to protect their culture and language and heritage and common ancestry.
It’s amazing that it is only white countries that for some reason can’t simply carry on unless they dilute - and therefore destroy - their racial identity.
Peculiar.
I asked my leftist SIL this the other day.
She got really upset.
And no, she didn't have an answer for why every culture/race is allowed to have their territory. Except northern Europeans.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:45 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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And regarding the 65,000 number. Perhaps it is bigger due to loopholes. But even if it is double, it's a small number.
Bruh, it’s a million plus workers over the life of the program, that’s more than meaningful
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:48 am to yaboidarrell
The Bay Area and Sacramento are full of Indians and other immigrant groups. The replacement process is certainly well under way here.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:52 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Trump was a lifelong Democrat as well. They both are of the opinion and see that the path we are heading down socially is not a good one, thus what they are trying to do to right that ship (anyone can agree or disagree with their conclusions all they want, its just what they are fighting for).
I'm not sure why people on the right are shocked when either of them have positions that are left leaning and likewise don't understand why so many on the left try and paint them as some right wing extremist. Its just silly from all sides.
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GoCrazyAuburn

Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:54 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Bruh, it’s a million plus workers over the life of the program, that’s more than meaningful
I already said I'm for ending it completely, today.
But compared to 40 million illegals, it's a small number.
More illegals cross in just a few days than H1B visas per year.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:01 pm to TripleBarrelBluff1
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what level of intelligence you're operating at.
When you insult one’s intelligence, it’s usually best to use at least decent grammar.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:yup, poli poster
soys
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:06 pm to LSU316
Are you staffing them or actually working at solving problems with them? Because in my 15 years of directly working with them, i can unequivocally say that I am correct.
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