re: Elon Mush wants to double H1b visas

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Ah, the intellectual

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I've never claimed to be one, this is just your insecurity acting up again.

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I've never claimed to be one

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Your dumb arse voted

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That's news to me on several fronts.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest you are unable to see anything other than black and white, A or B choices.

The rest of the drivel you posted shows what level of intelligence you're operating at.

I've been fighting this fight for years. Glad to see it finally coming to a more mainstream audience.

3 times in my career (2020, 2023 and 2024) I've been laid off in favor of Indians. In 2020 and 2023 my job was offshored, in 2024 I was replaced onsite by an Indian who I had to train in order to get my severance.

H1B apologists will say all 3 of my layoffs were my fault, if only I wasn't so dumb, lazy and bad at my jobs I would have not been let go and replaced by the intellectually superior Indians. Even though I got a perfect ACT score, perfect math SAT score, and a scholarship to Rice. Graduated college with honors. Won employee of the quarter in Q4 2023 at my last job. Nah, its just because I am dumb and lazy.

Then these H1B apologists will say there is a massive labor shortage in tech. Explain then how another co-worker of mine who was laid off back in February, an Iraq war vet who got shot in the line of duty, has yet to find a job. 10 months out of work as a developer. You think if there was a labor shortage that companies would be begging this Iraq vet to come work for them. The H1B apologists will just say that he is lazy and dumb and should have worked harder.

I just want to establish if it is OK to higher a cheaper American over other Americans but it’s not to OK to do the same with an immigrant.

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There are only 65,000 H1B visas per year,

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Absolute lie

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The H1B visa holders are at least vetted, interviewed, etc.

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Also a lie

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I guess the real question is are we for or against legal immigration? If we are against it we better be for higher prices and lower quality of life. If we are for legal immigration then why are we against H1Bs?

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I think this is contorted.

First, I don't accept that there would be a meaningful QOL drop for most if we halted immigration. Some adjustment maybe, but people adapt quickly and new ideas/people would fill voids. You'd also need to account for QOL improvements.

Second, I think the starting question is whether America should be for Americans, or whether we have some larger/broader/non-nationalist duty to unknown people elsewhere. Because that later concept is certainly baked into our current national thought process and a huge swath of reasonable Americans get uncomfortable simply talking about the idea that it's ok to prioritize and desire community with people of your own tribe/faith/etc. For 50+ years we've worked into the national narrative that such thinking is backwards, regressive, racist, etc. - it's not. It's innate. It's what most of the world does, it's what almost the entirety of human history has practiced.

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I just want to establish if it is OK to higher a cheaper American over other Americans but it’s not to OK to do the same with an immigrant.

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Maybe, maybe not

Is the immigrant sending those earnings out of the country, taking those wages from an American and not stimulating the US economy? Are they bringing in unwanted culture norms? Are they taking the job from an American that can’t find employment elsewhere?

You’re trying to boil a multifaceted complicated question down into a yes or no.

Why is Tigerdroppings having a total meltdown over Indians all of a sudden

I feel a little bad about Indians being the target here, because for me at least, they're just an obvious example rather than any group I have particular vitriol/etc. for.

Indians are prominent in tech, and they're very visibly taking over some high growth areas (DFW, etc.). So they're an easy topic to feature in these discussions.