re: El Chapo has his judge exicuto

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The author points to a poll that 53% of the Sinaloa population disagree with Chapo's arrest at the time.

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Yea b/c he's likened to Santa Claus. Brings gifts, provides jobs, something the mayor and governor were unable to do. PLace is poor as frick.

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J Murdah

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I didn't look at the article. I just assumed El Chapo got another one

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Sinaloa Cartel drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman’s

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He's gotta be linked up with CIA right? If not I cant imagine why wouldn't black ops his arse.

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The chapter was about how cartel's have become PR machines. They give out low-interest loans, build roads, soccer fields, buy out newspapers, and provide other services to paint themselves in a positive light

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Seems like chopping peoples heads off would offset soccer fields

It's absolutely pathetic that Mexico can't get it's cartel crime problem under control. This has been going on for fricking decades. They can't control significant sections of their own territory, can't locate cartel leaders that should leave identifiable footprints, and can't stop the incessant political murders and assassinations. Their political apparatus and military are rife with corruption and people willing to work for the murder cartels who actively engage in medieval savagery and sadism that puts them on par with ISIS. And then the Mexican leadership have the fricking audacity to lecture the United States whenever we assert our sovereign rights to regulate our border with this failed state, which just so happens to gain innumerable advantages and wealth merely by the good fortune of being geographically affixed next to the world's most advanced and wealthy country. And on top of that, they feel ENTITLED to it.

It's long passed time for the United States to take a hard approach to Mexico. They should be engaged in a counterinsurgency style action snuffing these cartels out. They should be willing to suffer heavy police and military casualties if necessary in the process. Ask for US assistance in doing so. I'm sure we'd be more than happy to provide it. These should be preconditions before we give any flying frick about what their feelings are on our border measures or immigration policies. If you want a healthy relationship with a first world nation, start acting like you are remotely interested in being one.

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Seems like chopping peoples heads off would offset soccer fields

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You are underestimating how much Mexicans hate their government

This is what the Mexican crime rate looked like before Calderon took office and the Mexican war on drugs started



after

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you can sure as frick disrupt organized cartels

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all this really does is create more violence. If I was Mexico, I'd tell the USA to frick off and fix their own drug problem. Then let the cartels settle their problems in Mexican courts and tax the trafficking.


They've already tried fighting the war all out. It failed.

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also why are people still loyal to him? if he is in jail I would assume the next most powerful person would take his position and his money/influence.

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The next most powerful person may want to sent a message to any judge that will preside over his hearing at some point in the future.

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all this really does is create more violence. If I was Mexico, I'd tell the USA to frick off and fix their own drug problem

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So fighting entrenched, billion dollar terrorist organizations creates violence in the process? Well no shite. That's the whole point. These groups aren't going away without violence. The alternative, which you seem to prefer, is acquiescence and appeasement to their permanent existence. And Mexico can tell us whatever they want, again, they are a sovereign country. And their attitude toward us should be directly linked to our attitudes and policies towards them. Again, the failed state of Mexico has no leverage over us and if they take that approach they have no reason to bitch when we shut our border down, deport their illegal migrants, and start incentivizing our businesses to go else where, preferably back here.

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Then let the cartels settle their problems in Mexican courts and tax the trafficking.

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We're not legalizing all drugs. It's not happening (which is a separate discussion in itself). Marijuana likely will be legalized at some point and legalizing it will not stop other illicit drug trafficking.

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They've already tried fighting the war all out. It failed.

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Nonsense. Again, no one is expecting drug trafficking to be eliminated, just like no one in the U.S. expects usage or sales to be eliminated. What is expected, reasonable, and absolutely attainable by any government that can be said to be legitimate and stable is that the corruption and systemic destablization caused by the cartels must be eliminated.

Again, if it is not, it is either a failed state or a cartel run state.

Again, we don't see this problem of cartel violence and uncontrollable terrorist organizations in the U.S. or Canada even though the demand is there. Why? Because we have a stable government, culture, and institutions. Essentially, you are saying that Mexico's condition is solely a result of demand, which is a complete and utter cop out and is invalidated by this discrepancy with other states.