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Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:46 am to NYNolaguy1
There was like one other time 
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:47 am to MadDoggyStyle
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If I'm getting lots of questions from the interviewee regarding vacation and time off, red flags start going up and I'm probably moving on to the next person.
Im sure you make it clear that OT might be required and that its necessary to get work done sometimes. But it wont be paid OT.
Companies love to tell their potential employees of all the free work they will require, but God forbid you ask about time off!
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:48 am to MadDoggyStyle
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I never said that. We give 2 weeks after 1 year.
I can assure you any of your competitors who are worth a damn are giving them at least two weeks off during their first year, not after. Still points as if you're recruiting from the bottom of the barrel.
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Our employee's get 13 paid holiday's per year,
Industry standard I'm sure, and that's not going to attract the best employees from the competition.
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work hours are 8-5, M-F with weekends off. It's not like they are working 7 days/week.
Very kind of you to give them two days off a week.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:49 am to NYNolaguy1
Actually, Med insurance is 100% paid by the company, worker pays $25.00 copay. Vacation is 2 weeks after the 1st year, 3 weeks after 5 years, 4 weeks after 10 year and 5 weeks after 15 years. 13 paid holidays. Retirement is paid 100% by the company up at a rate of 15% of the employee's base salary. Bonus system is 50-100% of employee salary based on company profits. Sales guys get auto allowance, car insurance, etc paid by company with generous expense accounts. It's horrible to work here I tell ya!~
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:50 am to Sneaky__Sally
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I saw everything you mentioned except for the first year vacation
I find that very interesting.
I can't see how a 'no vacation during first year' policy is attractive to any potential candidates.
New employees at my company begin accruing PTO immediately and can begin taking PTO after the first 90 days (unless they have a need to take it beforehand, in which case we usually allow it).
As other businesses strive for that competitive advantage by offering unlimited PTO, one year paid maternity/paternity leave, etc to attract the most talented people the world has to offer, I find it interesting that so many companies are unable to adapt to the market. I would imagine their business practices are equally as unlikely to quickly adapt to market changes...
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:51 am to MadDoggyStyle
Depends on what caliber of inexperienced hire you go for. You won't get top tier or above average students unless you catch an anomaly who wants to work for a very small business or you're paying far more than MNCs or large companies.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:52 am to OMLandshark
I don't believe your BS about these companies trying to recruit you so hard and your great performance. You are the same guy who posted that BS thread about some girl you were shagging in a taxi or UBER a while back and the OT exposed you as a liar. Once a liar, always a liar.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:54 am to MadDoggyStyle
I don't know how the first year vacation thing became an implication of no benefits and sweat shop work. It seemed pretty standard when I was looking around. For us it wasn't like you didn't get any at all, you couldn't use it until you got through the first year. Again, you could jump out early on a Friday, or work with them (make up the time on a weekend) to get a couple days off if you needed too. This was a salary position so taking time off without pay wasn't an option.
I think they had some problems before with people coming in, deciding they didn't like the job or just couldn't deal with the hard deadline style of work and then would take the vacation time and bolt.
I think they had some problems before with people coming in, deciding they didn't like the job or just couldn't deal with the hard deadline style of work and then would take the vacation time and bolt.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:57 am to Wideman
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I can't see how a 'no vacation during first year' policy is attractive to any potential candidates.
Really it was more of a stipulation of you couldn't take the vacation until you have been there for a certain amount of time and it varied. Some said after a year you would get the vacation time generated over first year and then your second year vacation time also kicked in. Others was more of a you can take of X days after 6 months.
I just didn't see places where you could come in and then two months later start taking vacation time off.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:58 am to Sneaky__Sally
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For us it wasn't like you didn't get any at all, you couldn't use it until you got through the first year. Again, you could jump out early on a Friday, or work with them (make up the time on a weekend) to get a couple days off if you needed too
You don't see how ridiculous this sounds? A whole year with no paid time off, and having to "make up" a day or two on weekends? I could be coming straight out of school and would laugh my arse off at that offer.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:59 am to Sneaky__Sally
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don't know how the first year vacation thing became an implication of no benefits and sweat shop work. It seemed pretty standard when I was looking around.
Spot on. I think it's just the OT mentality taking over. Everyone has to one up each other on how they got it better than someone else. I'm an engineer and the first job out of college you had to work 12 months to earn 2 weeks vacation. Some of these people here think that is cruel and unusual punishment and take it to mean there are no benefits and pay sucks. People make wild assumptions with no grasp of facts on the OT. It's normal.
You sound like someone I would hire in a heartbeat!
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:00 pm to MadDoggyStyle
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I don't believe your BS about these companies trying to recruit you so hard and your great performance.
Believe what you will, but I assure you I've gotten 3 Recruiters through LinkedIn this week asking me for an interview and I accepted one of these interviews. Doesn't happen every week, but enough for a couple of recruiters a month to reach out to me.
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You are the same guy who posted that BS thread about some girl you were shagging in a taxi or UBER a while back and the OT exposed you as a liar. Once a liar, always a liar.
As if everyone here hasn't told a tall tale or two while shitfaced. I unfortunately put mine in writing at 3:00 in the morning. I've largely cut back on the booze since then and came out the next morning about that. And people on this site know me personally, so I did get hell for that, and keeps me pretty honest on this site. So frick off with that shite.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:02 pm to MadDoggyStyle
Your company blows if you can't take a paid day off until after a year of working. I sure hope you're just forgetting to mention that the time is accrued each pay period and you can use it as you earn it. Otherwise, your policy sucks, and I'm guessing if you were honest you'd agree.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:02 pm to LNCHBOX
Well like I said, we could ask for a random friday off and they would tell us to leave at noon, but if you wanted to take off four days in a row you they wanted you to make up the time. Also they closed the office around holidays (not just day of) so that is essentially some paid time off. And then After a year you could take off your built up time (paid) and then you still have the year 2 off days.
I guess its just a different school of though but I don't see anything unreasonable with that. You need to actually put a half year or whatever it is of full time work before they pay you not to be there.
And you can laugh if you want, but its a good job and they invested a lot of time/money training people up and well-educated people stick around even after they get fully certified in the industry so it can't be all that bad...
I guess its just a different school of though but I don't see anything unreasonable with that. You need to actually put a half year or whatever it is of full time work before they pay you not to be there.
And you can laugh if you want, but its a good job and they invested a lot of time/money training people up and well-educated people stick around even after they get fully certified in the industry so it can't be all that bad...
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:02 pm to MadDoggyStyle
You sound like someone who hasn't recently gone through the collegiate recruitment & hiring process with more than 1 job offer.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:04 pm to Sneaky__Sally
You see nothing unreasonable with not allowing paid time off for an entire year? You're out of your mind. Life happens, no one is not going to have things come up over an entire 365 day window. It's completely unrealistic to expect as much.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:05 pm to OMLandshark
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Hyperbole usually has some foundation of truth to it.
No, no. It doesn't. The exact opposite, matter of fact. If I were to say, 'I would rather stick needles in my cock than be within earshot of you'. Are you saying the foundation of truth in my hyperbole is I like to stick needles in my cock?
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Yeah, I'll continue to work good flexible hours, having lots of vacation time, get paid and measured for my actual output, and be able to do what I want to do. I'm very glad I'm not too dim to negotiate vacation and slaving away from 8 to 5 for the rest of my life.
Fortunately in your case, you're not measure upon your personality and character. I wouldn't buy a fire extinguisher from you if I were on fire. (That's another hyperbole for you).
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:06 pm to LNCHBOX
If you have a funeral they will let you go, they aren't heartless. If you need to jump out on a Friday that isn't a problem. If you get sick and have to stay home a day or go to the hospital for something they won't fire you. But if you want to take a week off and go to France you need to be here a year. What the frick is wrong with that?
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:08 pm to Sneaky__Sally
I'm not going to speak for others, but I haven't said there's anything "wrong" with it. You will lose out on many worthwhile candidates holding offers from companies offering PTO before a year of work. Those companies are far from uncommon.
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