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re: EBR Public Works - WTF?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:58 am to CarRamrod
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:58 am to CarRamrod
quote:
Of course the pumps are on floats.
Are you sure about that? If they are (and I truly hope they are) why didn't they run prior to the end of the storm?
Let me be clear on this: even though the rain had stopped the water didn't begin to recede until a good 15 minutes or so after the conversation with the home owner (I was using the front of the stalled-out van as my gauge
), which means about 20-30 minutes after his conversation with Public Works. quote:
Come on Bard your smarter than this.
I'm smart enough to realize there was some sort of inaction going on that would have fricked many of us had the storm lasted longer. Were this a tropical storm that moved through instead of a powerful, localized cell many of my neighbors and I would once again be flooded out of our homes.
Prior to the 2016 flood I have seen rain just as hard make hardly a pool of water in our roads much less shut them completely down.
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:24 am to Bard
It is ridiculous. They are two years behind on most projects. Can you imagine how backed up they are on maintenance of ditches and and drainage?
I think the city should have a policy where any city worker can stop and order the fixing of an open and obvious issue without putting in a work order. Or alternatively, have a crew just for this purpose. I see 100s of projects every day that need attention.
I think the city should have a policy where any city worker can stop and order the fixing of an open and obvious issue without putting in a work order. Or alternatively, have a crew just for this purpose. I see 100s of projects every day that need attention.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:26 am to Bard
I don't know about EBR... but it's well known that most/all of the pumps in NOLA/Jefferson/St Bernard etc are NOT automated. A lot of them were built before automation was a thing, and the cost to retrofit them to automate them is extremely high.
Further, not all of the pump stations are manned 24/7.
I know some places have started training firemen how to turn on the pumps, as sometimes they may be located closer to the pump than a pump operator.
Further, not all of the pump stations are manned 24/7.
I know some places have started training firemen how to turn on the pumps, as sometimes they may be located closer to the pump than a pump operator.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:27 am to Bard
quote:yes. I have designed a few.
Are you sure about that
quote:they probably did.
why didn't they run prior to the end of the storm?
quote:where were you in 2016? There were plenty of neighborhoods that didnt flood until after the rain. from back water flooding.
even though the rain had stopped the water didn't begin to recede until a good 15 minutes or so after the conversation with the home owner (I was using the front of the stalled-out van as my gauge ), which means about 20-30 minutes after his conversation with Public Works.
Think of fluid transfer like traffic. it all doesnt start to move at once. the fluid/people down stream needs to move before anything thing else can.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:29 am to CarRamrod
quote:
My question is, why aren't these pumps on a system where they automatically turn on when water levels reach a certain point?
Let me do a study on this
Sincerely,
Mayor Broome
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:29 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:thats funny because IMO it could be done VERY cheaply.
and the cost to retrofit them to automate them is extremely high.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:34 am to Bard
quote:
As the rain slowed to a drizzle one of the homeowners came out and we talked briefly. He had just called EBR Works to complain about the flooding and was told "we turned the pumps on about 10 minutes ago".
EBR DPW is a shite show and has been for many years.
I think it may have actually gotten worse under Broome though.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:46 am to CarRamrod
quote:
thats funny because IMO it could be done VERY cheaply.
That's what multiple government / public works employees have told me.
Perhaps they are full of crap, or perhaps none of those companies are donating enough campaign money.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:49 am to Bard
quote:
Seriously... what the hell happened yesterday to cause such a royal clusterfrick around that entire area?
An insane amount of rain in a concentrated location for a short period of time?
Our street flooded. Then receded as the volume of water (rain) decreased.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:01 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
where were you in 2016? There were plenty of neighborhoods that didnt flood until after the rain. from back water flooding.
Same place. We got 10 inches because of back flow from Jones Creek, rode out of the neighborhood at 6am in the back of a National Guard deuce-and-a-half. Because of the way everything is set up, even though our neighborhood sits higher than Millerville our neighborhood flooded before that section of Millerville did. Not just that, but the low part there on Flannery (where the two vehicles stalled yesterday) at Millerville ended up flooding down onto Millerville (instead of vice versa) in 2016.
quote:
Think of fluid transfer like traffic. it all doesnt start to move at once. the fluid/people down stream needs to move before anything thing else can.
Which is why we have pumps to help pull/push it out. If they were working that entire time then they were woefully inadequate.
Prior to 2016 water might get a little high but nothing like what I've seen over the past year. Between 2014 and 2016 there may have been two instances of water covering the road in front of my house, but I was still able to drive through it with my Mustang. Since just last year (much less 2016) I have seen the water rise to at least my sidewalk on 3 different occasions (yesterday makes 4) just from intense storms.
If pumps are running as they should and when they should, they are inadequate. If they aren't running as they should and when they should then someone needs to be addressing it.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:07 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
who says they arent? Some idiot government worker in the front office?
If they were automatic, why did the resident have to call to have them turned on?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:36 pm to Bard
quote:
Which is why we have pumps to help pull/push it out. If they were working that entire time then they were woefully inadequate.
oh ok. quote:
Prior to 2016 water might get a little high but nothing like what I've seen over the past year. Between 2014 and 2016 there may have been two instances of water covering the road in front of my house, but I was still able to drive through it with my Mustang. Since just last year (much less 2016) I have seen the water rise to at least my sidewalk on 3 different occasions (yesterday makes 4) just from intense storms.
If pumps are running as they should and when they should, they are inadequate. If they aren't running as they should and when they should then someone needs to be addressing it.
ok man. I cant help you if you dont want to understand. im not taking up for BR but there arent the pumping stations all over the place for stormwater like you think they are. This isnt Nola. This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:38 pm to Bard
I'm not exactly sure what you're expecting in regards to the signs...have someone stationed at the signs 24/7?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:40 pm to Boudreaux35
quote:OMFG have you read any of the thread? the home owners called Ladashorangejello. Tell me how that makes you for sure they werent turned on before.
If they were automatic, why did the resident have to call to have them turned on?
Im not taking up for baton rouge at all, but god, some of you fricking idiots that dont know how simple systems work is amazing.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 1:03 pm to LSUsmartass
quote:
I'm not exactly sure what you're expecting in regards to the signs...have someone stationed at the signs 24/7?
Not showing up after (or almost after) the fact?
Then maybe pick them up after?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 1:06 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
ok man. I cant help you if you dont want to understand. im not taking up for BR but there arent the pumping stations all over the place for stormwater like you think they are. This isnt Nola.
I understand completely. Your stance is that there are pumps and they were probably working. My stance is either they weren't working or they aren't enough and the evidence of increased flooding where there used to be little to none backs up my stance.
What's backing up yours?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 1:15 pm to Bard
quote:my stance is their are some pumps...not sure where they are... and yes they most likely work.
our stance is that there are pumps and they were probably working
quote:you have no proof they weret working. Sure they might not be enought. There has been a huge influx of KVIIlyn's and Rylee's parents moving into neighborhoods that are on old flood plains.
My stance is either they weren't working or they aren't enough and the evidence of increased flooding where there used to be little to none
i was just trying to steer you away from believing that BR has a pumping station issue like NOLA because thats ludicrous.
It like the people that thought the interstate barrier should have been designed with holes in it in case a 1000 year storm comes in and floods the area. it just doesnt work like that
quote:knowledge of the field, how about that.
What's backing up yours?
Again i dont want to sit here and argue with you about this. I just enjoy passing information on to people who dont know how things work when i have a decent background in it.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:17 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
i was just trying to steer you away from believing that BR has a pumping station issue like NOLA because thats ludicrous.
Sorry if that's what you took from my rant. We aren't NOLA but at least my area is starting to see more flooding issues. People that have been here for many years say it started around five years ago and I have noticed a distinct difference since just the 2016 flood.
The pumps thing from yesterday could or could not be legit, but it would explain my experience whereas pumps running normally does not (unless there's a shitload of debris in the system, which is not outside the realm of possibility).
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:35 pm to Bard
quote:well just using my judgment i would say some area of your watershed was taken over and that is what is causing some backup problems. meaning your drainage system in your area was designed to flow a certain cfs. Well your system can still drain that CFS but there isnt as much room for that CFS to go downstream. Pumps arent really the issue here more so available flood plains. down streak causing backwater flooding. This is JMO from 1000 foot view. And there really isnt much you can do to get the city to fix it.
People that have been here for many years say it started around five years ago and I have noticed a distinct difference since just the 2016 flood.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:21 pm to Bard
I didn't know there were storm water pumps in EBR except at places like at Acadian and the RR tracks, I 110 at the mansion, etc
Where are these pumps? By Chilis?
Could they be sewer pumps used in storms to pump storm water out of the sanitary sewers? I'm confused.
Where are these pumps? By Chilis?
Could they be sewer pumps used in storms to pump storm water out of the sanitary sewers? I'm confused.
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