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re: Earliest ‘Jesus is God’ inscription found
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:25 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:25 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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People were suckers back then just like they are today It was Jesus back then and David Koresh today Except today we call them crazy lunatics, back then they were called loyal followers and disciples Hmmmmmm
What did they have to gain from it? Jesus was tortured and executed in one of the most horrific means possible. His followers fled, knowing they’d get the same thing if they didn’t.
But then they came out of hiding a few weeks later. Not only did they come out of hiding, they began proclaiming to anyone and everyone that the same Jesus who was executed a few weeks before was indeed the Messiah.
What did they have to gain from doing this? They made no money. In fact they lost everything they had. And all but one of them died horrific deaths.
So why’d they do it?
Then there was Paul, first known as Saul. He was one of the main ones persecuting them. He had power. He had prestige. Why did he give up all of that to join this “cult” when he knew that to do so meant losing everything, and would endanger his life?
Why’d he do it?
And why did they all, even under horrific torture not just deny Christ again?
Something had to change in these men. They went from cowards who fled when Christ was killed, to willing to endure anything, give up everything, to proclaim His Gospel.
Help me understand why’d they’d do that.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 7:53 pm
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:25 pm to GumboPot
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230 AD, confirming Christians believed Jesus was the son of God from the very beginning.
You serious, Clark?
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:26 pm to Enadious
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There is one God, the Father. Jesus has a God, who is the Father. Jesus is Lord. He is not equal to the Father.
False
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:29 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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230 years it’s like 3 generations removed
Yet the average life span was 32...
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:31 pm to cbree88
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They compiled the Bible by writing the New Testament
No, this is easily proven as false. The Catholic Church did not write the New Testament. Beyond the evidence, it fails at the most logical first step...there would be no Christians if not for the events of the New Testament. There would be no Church without Christians
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:36 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Yet the average life span was 32...
That lifespan was due to a very high infant mortality rate back then. Odd we’re pretty good, even then, if you made it out of childhood, you could live to be pretty old.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:51 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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You serious, Clark?
I would inagine the logic is that this was not some crude graffiti, it was art. That saying must have been established well before the mosaic was produced.
And are we seriously even debating whether Jesus was real and had followers?
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:51 pm to Corinthians420
Jesus was God robed in flesh. “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 5:14 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:52 pm to Darth_Vader
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That lifespan was due to a very high infant mortality rate back then. Odd we’re pretty good, even then, if you made it out of childhood, you could live to be pretty old.
Didn’t JC die around that age? Natural causes I guess.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:55 pm to GumboPot
quote:200 years later is the very beginning?
The 581-square-foot mosaic decorated the world's first prayer hall in 230 AD, confirming Christians believed Jesus was the son of God from the very beginning.
That's like saying Watergate was the beginning of the USA.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:09 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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I don’t know how anyone reads the early church writings and doesn’t convert to Catholicism.
One of the reasons I left it
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:16 pm to Corinthians420
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. / He was with God in the beginning. / Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:19 pm to Joshjrn
It's historical fact that there was much debate in the first 3 centuries of Christianity as to the nature of Jesus. Was He created? Was He really a man at all? Was he God? If He was God, how can God be born and die? If He was co-eternal, how could monotheism be true?
It wasn't so clear cut. Much of what we believe about Jesus as Christians today was ironed out at the Council of Nicea.
It wasn't so clear cut. Much of what we believe about Jesus as Christians today was ironed out at the Council of Nicea.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:26 pm to AUveritas
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Much of what we believe about Jesus as Christians today was ironed out at the Council of Nicea.
And a large portion of the church fathers didn’t agree with Nicean council fwiw
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:30 pm to Pepe Lepew
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And a large portion of the church fathers didn’t agree with Nicean council fwiw
True. Most people don't know how close Arianism came to becoming the orthodox view of Christianity.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:34 pm to GumboPot
1 John:5 covers the topic pretty well and 1 John 5:7 says specifically, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
This verse cross ties with John 1:1 and is confirmed again in Revelation 19:13 where the returning Jesus is clothed in a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.
This verse cross ties with John 1:1 and is confirmed again in Revelation 19:13 where the returning Jesus is clothed in a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:37 pm to GumboPot
Around the same year of Alexamenos. It shows a crucified figure with a donkey’s head, and a man standing beside it with an inscription in Greek that reads, “Alexamenos worships his god.”
The graffit is considered an example of early anti-Christian ridicule, likely mocking the Christian belief in Jesus as divine. The donkey’s head was a common insult in Roman culture to suggest foolishness or absurdity.
The graffit is considered an example of early anti-Christian ridicule, likely mocking the Christian belief in Jesus as divine. The donkey’s head was a common insult in Roman culture to suggest foolishness or absurdity.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:40 pm to AUveritas
Yes, lot of different perspectives on Jesus. We are debating Jesus today, 2000 years of history. Is he real or not? What do you do with Jesus? Is he the one time sacrifice for all time to reconcile the relationship with the creator, God. Or is he something else?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:24 pm to scottydoesntknow
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No, this is easily proven as false. The Catholic Church did not write the New Testament. Beyond the evidence, it fails at the most logical first step...there would be no Christians if not for the events of the New Testament. There would be no Church without Christians
None of that makes any sense. The early Christian Church and early Catholic Church are one and the same. Perhaps that’s what’s confusing you.
The New Testament did not write itself. The apostles wrote it under divine inspiration. It did not fall from the sky in its current form; it had to be compiled. The apostles and their followers were the beginning of the Catholic Church. In the following decades the Catholic Church decided which writings would become part of scripture and be included in the Bible and which ones would not. It is a Catholic book.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:36 pm to OysterPoBoy
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So do the Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the same God and are just fighting about whom his son is?
And where did the Buddha come from?
Joesph Campbell, a professor of comparative religion, attempted to answer this question in what he called “The Wisdom Traditions.” IIRC he identified seven, including Christianity. His most famous work for a general audience was an 80’s PBS documentary called “The Power of Myth.” It’s been published in book form.
Agree or not, his writings are intellectually stimulating. He thought mankind was fundamentally based on spirituality, but didn’t express which he believed.
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