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re: Dr. Richard Saul: ADHD Does Not Exist
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:22 am to Displaced
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:22 am to Displaced
My problem is when things like:
difficulty with organization, or a tendency to lose things; that we are frequently forgetful, distracted, or fail to pay close attention to details
are disabling conditions that must be accommodated for in the work or educational settings. Obviously it's a slippery slope.
Aren't stellar memories, innate abilities to organize, etc., some of the things that separate the truly talented/gifted apart from everyone else? If you have a terrible memory, should we bring you up to the "normal memory" level through accommodation, while those with normal memories still compete against those with photographic ones? This is really concerning, especially in the academic environment.
difficulty with organization, or a tendency to lose things; that we are frequently forgetful, distracted, or fail to pay close attention to details
are disabling conditions that must be accommodated for in the work or educational settings. Obviously it's a slippery slope.
Aren't stellar memories, innate abilities to organize, etc., some of the things that separate the truly talented/gifted apart from everyone else? If you have a terrible memory, should we bring you up to the "normal memory" level through accommodation, while those with normal memories still compete against those with photographic ones? This is really concerning, especially in the academic environment.
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:23 am to LSUZombie
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LSUZombie
My story is a lot like yours. I'm not the hyper type either.
ADHD is looked at like it's a behavioral issue. That's why I don't bother talking about it with people. As an introvert it's exhausting having to start from scratch to explain that it's not all about being a hyper little brat. That's a separate issue entirely.
I don't even blame people for thinking that way though. I think everyone here can probably agree it's over-diagnosed.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:24 am to Drew Orleans
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Well no shite. Did I say that? No...
I cited what you wrote, but troll on.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:25 am to LSUZombie
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It is over-diagnosed? Sure. Do people get their kids properly tested for it? Not all of them. But in my situation, I can attest that ADD is certainly real.
I still take my medicine as a 30 year old, because my job is demanding and I have to be on my A game.
but stimulants have that same effect on basically everyone. if everyone was prescribed stimulants like you were, the question is if you'd remain where you originally were in the pecking order
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:26 am to CarRamrod
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if you really want to use this language ill go ahead and tell you that this is a very beta statement
I'd have been very surprised if you hadn't felt compelled, beyond your control, to post that observation.....which some here might quietly observe was my original point.
FWIW, I was only providing my general take on a specific observation that you had made. I wasn't attempting to place you in any specific category.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:26 am to 911Moto
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And I'm guessing the cure for clinical depression is to get over it and stop being depressed. And the cure for anxiety is to suck it up and stop being anxious.
Bingo. Alone, poor and a failure in life do not cause a chemical problem in the brain that causes depression. Yet somehow all my patients that are described by 2-3 of those things are "depressed". Go figure their life sucks lol
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:27 am to Drew Orleans
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It's not ADD... You have a lower IQ. It's called being human
I am not sure you completely understand what you profess to be an expert on. Many students score very high on cognitive tests i.e. IQ tests, but score very low on achievement tests because of some disability (learning, such as dyslexia or dyspraxia, anxiety, autism, sensory disorders, and a host of other disabilities that you should be thankful you do not have). It does not mean that a child is stupid or dumb, it is just that they struggle with the way the material is presented and have trouble figuring it out the way most students do. That is why accommodations (extra time, having test questions read to them, etc) often help them to perform as "normally" as possible. It does not give these students a competitive advantage and to think so shows your ignorance.
Also, it is alarming but I guess not surprising that people still believe that those with disabilities are simply stupid. I pity you and your outlook on life.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:28 am to Hoops
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Bingo. Alone, poor and a failure in life do not cause a chemical problem in the brain that causes depression. Yet somehow all my patients that are described by 2-3 of those things are "depressed". Go figure their life sucks lol
It's not that ADHD and depression aren't real. It's that they're way over-diagnosed.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:30 am to Boss
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dyslexia or dyspraxia, autism, sensory disorders
i would not dump ADHD in with these disorders.
Lack of focus and what is quoted above are completely different...
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:30 am to TigerWise
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Big money in having people hooked on drugs.
This describes a huge legal and social aspect of this country imo.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:35 am to Drew Orleans
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Not trying to put down others.
oh?
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Why do those retarded morons get more time and help than I do
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I can't stand 99% of people who claim to have it. You should all have to live with your shitty genetics...
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Said the moron who takes (or his kids take) meds for being an idiot...
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people who are far inferior to you got straight A's because they were medicated?
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It's not ADD... You have a lower IQ
You're just a typical OT e-douche with inflated self worth, who doesn't know his dick form his elbow. None of this has anything to do with Intelligence. It's pretty common to suffer from conditions such as ADHD and have incredibly high intelligence.
My cousin is a genius; a real, tested, high IQ genius. He also is diagnosed with Dygraphia, Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, and ADHD. Traditional schooling was always a huge issue for him. With medication and counseling he was able to figure out how to succeed in school, went to Berkely, and now designs Nuclear Reactors for the US Government. Still takes medication. I'm incredibly proud of him. I'm glad my Aunt and Uncle didn't listen to people like you.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:36 am to Displaced
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dyslexia or dyspraxia, autism, sensory disorders
i would not dump ADHD in with these disorders.
Lack of focus and what is quoted above are completely different...
Dyslexia and sensory disorders are very similar to ADHD. How much you are affected socially and professionally by one or the other differ, but the way they act on the brain are very similar.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:37 am to Drew Orleans
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Now that you are on the medicine and see what your abilities are, do you think you also deserve extra time on the ACT?
No, and I never took the extra time because I didn't need it. I was able to complete the test usually before the other students could, and the teacher would say "but don't you want to use the extra time?" And I always replied I didn't need it.
Why would I? It's like my psychiatrist had told me. The medicine would make me like I normally would be if I never had ADD. My IQ (whic he tested) was high and medicine aided in me retaining information and concentrating.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:40 am to panterica
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My story is a lot like yours. I'm not the hyper type either.
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ADHD is looked at like it's a behavioral issue.
Which is why I went undiagnosed for so long. I never had the hyperactivity associated with it so my parent's never considered it.
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I don't even blame people for thinking that way though. I think everyone here can probably agree it's over-diagnosed.
Totally agree. I had one teacher that never believed it was real and that I was just studying harder and trying. Whatver...haha
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:41 am to Drew Orleans
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I find it extremely unfair that many people will miss out on jobs and opportunities that they would have had otherwise, because people who are genetically inferior, whether that be due to a disability or lower IQ, are given advantages such as more time on a test or drugs.
Somewhat harsh, but the point is there. Should subjective determinations regarding a condition provide someone a leg up, especially in professional school, under the guise that we're evening the playing field?
I think that should disturb most people.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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the question is if you'd remain where you originally were in the pecking order
Where I was wasn't where I deserved to be, and it showed as I went to a top student within weeks of being on this medicine.
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but stimulants have that same effect on basically everyone
But the adderall, for me did something different. There were students at Jesuit who were dumbasses and startedtaking Ritalin soon after and were still dumbasses. They probably weren't diagnosed like I was, and I know most didn't see a psychiatrist and receive a proper evaluation.
The medicine helped me become the student/person I always was, but the medicine can only do so much. You can fight against it if you want to.
Like now, as I waste time on TD while I should be working
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:50 am to Drew Orleans
Americans take 90% of the worlds Ritalin supply and it is strictly an American disease, which leads me to believe it is made up.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:51 am to Drew Orleans
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I find it extremely unfair that many people will miss out on jobs and opportunities that they would have had otherwise, because people who are genetically inferior, whether that be due to a disability or lower IQ, are given advantages such as more time on a test or drugs.
Drugs don't make you smarter. If you're worried about competing in the smarts department with someone on adderall then you should have nothing to worry about.. unless they're smarter. That may or may not be the case, but who cares.. The way people really 'cheat' with the drug is with things like homework, long projects, or all-nighters cramming for tests. Outside of cubicles and homework-heavy classes, you shouldn't have anything to worry about in 'competition.' Unless you're just 'genetically inferior' yourself.. as you would put it.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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but stimulants have that same effect on basically everyone. if everyone was prescribed stimulants like you were, the question is if you'd remain where you originally were in the pecking order
That's your opinion
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:52 am to Drew Orleans
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74% of statistics are made up on the spot.
30% of all people know that
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