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re: Dr. Richard Saul: ADHD Does Not Exist
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:56 am to Displaced
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:56 am to Displaced
Those that don't have it have no idea. I'm currently in nursing school and made through high school and prereqs in college with decent grades even though I had to busy arse and it took me three times as long to absorb te content I was reading. Once I got I to nursing school it's a different animal. Three times the content and way more challenging of material. I realized it took me three times as long to study as other people in my class. And you can quickly get behind with all of the content. Once I realized I was ADD and had a problem, I was prescribed and haven't looked back. There's NO way I'd pass nursing school without help. And there's no way to explain to people who don't have it what we go through.
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:57 am to Displaced
As a person who has spent the last decade of his life working in a variety of educational settings with students K-12, I can tell you definitively there are students who have attention issues to the point where it effects their ability to learn...I would estimate that 5% are legitimate diagnoses. The rest are nonsense.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:58 am to Displaced
I dated a girl who claimed that both of her boys had really bad ADHD with a defiance disorder and that is why they didn't listen and misbehaved. I told her they didn't listen because there were no consequences.
She would tell them not to do something, they would immediately go do it, then she would say they can't help it because they have ADHD with defiant disorder. I told her that if she would kick their arse every time they didn't listen, instead of making excuses for their behavior, then their disorder could be cured. We don't date anymore, but both boys are still heavily medicated.
She would tell them not to do something, they would immediately go do it, then she would say they can't help it because they have ADHD with defiant disorder. I told her that if she would kick their arse every time they didn't listen, instead of making excuses for their behavior, then their disorder could be cured. We don't date anymore, but both boys are still heavily medicated.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:00 am to Drew Orleans
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It's not ADD... You have a lower IQ. It's called being human.
possibly coupled with poor study habits.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:01 am to Displaced
I've been saying this since I was "diagnosed" in middle school. ADD and ADHD are nothing but a money grab by the pharmaceutical companies. They make way too much money off of it to ever admit otherwise.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:01 am to ithad2bme
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She would tell them not to do something, they would immediately go do it, then she would say they can't help it because they have ADHD with defiant disorder. I told her that if she would kick their arse every time they didn't listen, instead of making excuses for their behavior, then their disorder could be cured. We don't date anymore, but both boys are still heavily medicated.
She's setting those boys up for a lifetime of failure.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:01 am to brgfather129
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As a person who has spent the last decade of his life working in a variety of educational settings with students K-12, I can tell you definitively there are students who have attention issues to the point where it effects their ability to learn...I would estimate that 5% are legitimate diagnoses. The rest are nonsense.
did you read the link where the Dr. says these are (in his medical opinion) attributed to other things that would require different treatment than simply popping pills?
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However, there are some instances in which attention symptoms are severe enough that patients truly need help. Over the course of my career, I have found more than 20 conditions that can lead to symptoms of ADHD, each of which requires its own approach to treatment. Among these are sleep disorders, undiagnosed vision and hearing problems, substance abuse (marijuana and alcohol in particular), iron deficiency, allergies (especially airborne and gluten intolerance), bipolar and major depressive disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, and even learning disabilities like dyslexia, to name a few. Anyone with these issues will fit the ADHD criteria outlined by the DSM, but stimulants are not the way to treat them
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:04 am to Drew Orleans
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It's not ADD... You have a lower IQ. It's called being human.
fricking thank you. This. Right Here.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:04 am to Drew Orleans
Troll...lol....lol...lol...lol
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:04 am to CarRamrod
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the people who are all meded up get real defensive when you call them out.
I see a couple of presumably dumber guys whining about not being able to compete intellectually and blaming their shortcomings on other folks taking medicine.
This topic apparently struck a nerve.
In the end, folks have to construct a belief that causes them to feel better about themselves.
Some need to put down others while some are just alpha and don't need to construct an excuse for anything.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:06 am to Monk
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Monk
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:07 am to CarRamrod
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you sound like a shitty parent
I'm a shitty parent because ADD meds that were made to improve my child's symptoms drastically improved my child's symptoms?
You sound like a genius.
And my kid wasn't diagnosed by a pediatrician, he was referred to a child psychologist who did a battery of tests.
And I will go on record as saying that I am the best parent that has ever lived.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:13 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:10 am to Displaced
I was diagnosed with ADD by a psychiatrist in the 9th grade.
My entire life up to that point I had struggled with short term memory and paying attention. I never had the hyperactivity symptom. Throughout elemantary school, I would learn the information, and then immediately forget it or fall apart during tests and quizzes.
My parents spent hours and hours every night doing homework with me, testing me on what I had learne that day, and I would be able to remember information, and then forget it the next day. I was about to fail out of Jesuit my 9th grade year, and that was when an appointment was made with a psychiatrist.
He said due to my high IQ I was able to get through the 8th grade as a C student, but as the classes got harder, I couldn't keep up. He did a whole bunch of interesting tests on me and noted my reactions to recalling information, doing puzzles, and other brain teaser scenarios.
I was diagnosed with ADD and prescribed adderall. The drug worked overnight, and suddenly school became easy. I was focused and easily retained information. I didn't rush through tests and didn't get frustrated if something didn't come to me easy.
Physical Science was my worst class. THe 1st Q I got a 60. The 2nd Q (when I was diagnosed in the last few weeks of the quarter) I got an 80 and saved myself from summer school. The 3rd and 4th Q's: 98 and 99.
It was like that for all my classes and I went from a student almost failing out to graduating with honors. It worked for me, and for me it was very real.
It is over-diagnosed? Sure. Do people get their kids properly tested for it? Not all of them. But in my situation, I can attest that ADD is certainly real.
I still take my medicine as a 30 year old, because my job is demanding and I have to be on my A game.
TL;DR version: Had ADD, took medicine, OT Baller now.
My entire life up to that point I had struggled with short term memory and paying attention. I never had the hyperactivity symptom. Throughout elemantary school, I would learn the information, and then immediately forget it or fall apart during tests and quizzes.
My parents spent hours and hours every night doing homework with me, testing me on what I had learne that day, and I would be able to remember information, and then forget it the next day. I was about to fail out of Jesuit my 9th grade year, and that was when an appointment was made with a psychiatrist.
He said due to my high IQ I was able to get through the 8th grade as a C student, but as the classes got harder, I couldn't keep up. He did a whole bunch of interesting tests on me and noted my reactions to recalling information, doing puzzles, and other brain teaser scenarios.
I was diagnosed with ADD and prescribed adderall. The drug worked overnight, and suddenly school became easy. I was focused and easily retained information. I didn't rush through tests and didn't get frustrated if something didn't come to me easy.
Physical Science was my worst class. THe 1st Q I got a 60. The 2nd Q (when I was diagnosed in the last few weeks of the quarter) I got an 80 and saved myself from summer school. The 3rd and 4th Q's: 98 and 99.
It was like that for all my classes and I went from a student almost failing out to graduating with honors. It worked for me, and for me it was very real.
It is over-diagnosed? Sure. Do people get their kids properly tested for it? Not all of them. But in my situation, I can attest that ADD is certainly real.
I still take my medicine as a 30 year old, because my job is demanding and I have to be on my A game.
TL;DR version: Had ADD, took medicine, OT Baller now.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:12 am to Darth_Vader
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She's setting those boys up for a lifetime of failure.
Exactly, I tried to explain that either we teach our kids that there are consequences for their decisions and behavior while the consequences aren't that bad, or they learn it later in life at a much higher cost. I was told I didn't understand and they can't help it.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:13 am to CMPunkBITW
quote:maybe you just shouldnt be a nurse.
Those that don't have it have no idea. I'm currently in nursing school and made through high school and prereqs in college with decent grades even though I had to busy arse and it took me three times as long to absorb te content I was reading. Once I got I to nursing school it's a different animal. Three times the content and way more challenging of material. I realized it took me three times as long to study as other people in my class. And you can quickly get behind with all of the content. Once I realized I was ADD and had a problem, I was prescribed and haven't looked back. There's NO way I'd pass nursing school without help. And there's no way to explain to people who don't have it what we go through.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:15 am to Clark W Griswold
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The cure for childhood ADHD isn't medicine. It's disicpline. End of story.
You, sir, are a moron.
What you meant to say was that the cure for childhood ADHD in kids who don't actually have ADHD and have been misdiagnosed is discipline.
And I'm guessing the cure for clinical depression is to get over it and stop being depressed. And the cure for anxiety is to suck it up and stop being anxious.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:19 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:17 am to Drew Orleans
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And you very well may be in the 5%, I don't know. But the majority of the medicated are on meds because they confuse normal human reactions and shortcomings with a "disease."
And I very well maybe. All I know is I did get clinically diagnosed the right way. I did have parents who sat up with me every night to help me become a better student. I did have major discipline from them when I did poorly, and they tried so hard find out what was wrong.
The breaking point? I looked at my mom one night and said "I just don't understand why I can't remmeber." That's when the appointment was made and the wheels set in motion for a proper diagnosis.
Can't speak for the others, and I know several people who "have it" but the medicine does nothing for them because they don't have it.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:18 am to Monk
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I see a couple of presumably dumber guys whining about not being able to compete intellectually and blaming their shortcomings on other folks taking medicine.
yea im real jealous of the nurse in this thread. quote:if you really want to use this language ill go ahead and tell you that this is a very beta statement
Some need to put down others while some are just alpha and don't need to construct an excuse for anything.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:20 am to Drew Orleans
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It's not ADD... You have a lower IQ. It's called being human.
ADD is not linked to IQ, but nice try.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:20 am to 911Moto
quote:look at what you keep saying. you are not fixing the problem just treating the symptoms.
I'm a shitty parent because ADD meds that were made to improve my child's symptoms drastically improved my child's symptoms?
thats like someone saying that they are taking tylenol because their arm hurts when they broke it the night before.
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