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re: Downstairs neighbor punctured my refrigerant line

Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16302 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:22 pm to
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They should easily be able to cut it and solder in a coupler.


From the sounds of what he's saying it runs through the drywall in your neighbors condo? Sounds like a nightmare and nothing easy about any of this.
Posted by Woodlands Tigah
Tejas
Member since Mar 2021
991 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:29 pm to
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how should I go about it?



Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12167 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:32 pm to
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My opinion (based on the limited info) is to worry less about the specific of this, and more about the fact that you now have renters below you. This might be a one-off, but who knows.
This. Read your CCRs or Master Deed very closely before you buy anywhere, especially somewhere with large communal ownership like a condo.

One of my specialties was drafting rental prohibition addendums.

Also, make sure you know exactly what you own individually and what you own jointly with everyone else. It usually stops about 0.5" into the wall.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted by DrewBoy
Member since Jun 2022
142 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:40 pm to
I’d get a second HVAC opinion. If they nailed or drilled through either copper line, seems like it would be a significant leak and wouldn’t last for a couple months before freezing up and having to add Freon. How old is your unit ? 90% of leaks are in the evaporator coil.
Posted by Tigerbait28
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
15 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:41 pm to
I hope it is this easy, and even so I'll be out a little over 2k since the beginning of this. By no means is this breaking the bank but I do think the owner of the unit or renters below should reimburse me for the damages.

I'm in Houston for the poster asking.
Posted by AUriptide
Member since Aug 2009
7459 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:45 pm to
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Downstairs neighbor punctured my refrigerant line


Don't you just hate people?
Posted by Tigerbait28
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
15 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:47 pm to
The HVAC company said the same about the coil. After getting quoted for replacing the coil or entire air handler I had them bring a new air handler with them so they would be ready to replace once the pressure test confirmed the issue. They confirmed the issue was not with the air handler but rather the line itself.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73136 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:48 pm to
Hmm.
Was the TV mounted to studs? If so a protection plate should have been used.

Why does the line have to be re run? The leak was found. You can cut out and repair the copper there or just seal it.

Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
119989 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:51 pm to
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Two ladies


Lesbians? If so and its the ones that have dude haircuts, dress like dudes, etc... You will have your hands full and its all going to be your fault.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73136 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:52 pm to
This too. A leak big enough to see will lose all its freon in a day.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3750 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 1:08 pm to
You will have to finesse the down stairs unit owners into allowing you to get a video camera scope or open the wall so as to prove cause.

It’s all about what you can prove…
Posted by cajunandy
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2015
860 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 1:26 pm to
I see two possible courses of action.
First, contact you homeowners insurance. Normally mechanical breakdowns are not covered but since the line was punctured it may be covered. Worst thing is your told its not covered.
Second, the damage clearly happened during the time frame when the home warranty was in effect so it should be covered by them. You may need to consult an attorney who handles warranty issues. One of the questions I would have about suing under a warranty is whether attorney fees can be awarded.
Good Luck
Posted by CootKilla
In a beer can/All dog's nightmares
Member since Jul 2007
6121 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 1:36 pm to
Sounds like this is on an exterior wall right? What is the exterior wall made of? It could probably be fixed easier from the outside than the inside.
Posted by Tigerbait28
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
15 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 2:03 pm to
Exterior wall is made of brick.
Posted by Tigerbait28
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
15 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 2:07 pm to
I was allowed access to their unit but didn't take their TV down and open the wall yet. It didn't occur to me that if that is indeed the issue we should be able to repair the line right there rather than running a whole new line.
Posted by CootKilla
In a beer can/All dog's nightmares
Member since Jul 2007
6121 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 2:33 pm to
I would say frick their permission, chisel out some mortar, remove the bricks and repair the line.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12167 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 2:47 pm to
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Not if it's just cutting a hole in the drywall and soldering in a coupler. That's a minor job that one guy can do in a few hours including repairing the drywall
Sure, if it's just one single-family dwelling. Get hired, do the work, charge the homeowner, end of story.

Who owns what, who is liable for what, and who has access to repair what becomes much more complicated between condo units.

We're not just talking about how simple it is to cut a hole and fix a pipe.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 2:49 pm
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
9734 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 3:22 pm to
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Who owns what, who is liable for what, and who has access to repair what becomes much more complicated between condo units.


Yep, work is the easy part.

It's so easy to be self righteous about this until you're the one going through it.

Also flip it on its head. You're the owner of the below condo and the upstairs owner is now telling you that you need to cough up money because you're tenant broke something.

What did they break? Prove they broke it. Why did they break it? It's your line, why was there no nail guard? If it was the top homeowner's line, is it also their responsibility to make sure the line wasn't there to begin with? Is it a tenant's responsibility to make sure they aren't going to hit a line? What does their lease say?

It's easy to have opinions about all of these things. The reality is that your opinion is worth nothing, even with a whole lot of righteous indignation.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
14974 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 3:24 pm to
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No matter how much I argued that there was a leak somewhere the adjusters I spoke with would continue to say that the technician couldn't find a leak so the issue was resolved


If it was American Home Shield they have a Policy not to pay for a leak check until refrigerant has been added like twice which is stupid. Refrigerant isn't like oil it doesn't burn off.
Posted by DrewBoy
Member since Jun 2022
142 posts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 3:55 pm to
If that’s indeed the leak, I agree with everyone else. Make the repair in the wall. Add a coupling. The Sheetrock will be a longer fix going back the other way. And if it’s behind the TV, it won’t have to be perfect.
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